MallorcaOwl Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, S36 OWL said: Take away the u23's, and we are in trouble with what is left. A very thin squad. Maybe we could do a Paul Warhurst with, Iofa or Dunkley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beighton Owl 87 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, S36 OWL said: Take away the u23's, and we are in trouble with what is left. A very thin squad. One or two will hopefully step up. Seems Moore is keen to get the younger players involved and those not quite ready yet will be loaned out I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, canyoujust said: From the guy who has recommended every academy player for last 10 years... I am happy you dont agree If we signed some of those than we wouldn't be in a poo that we are in today. And some of those I recommended 10 years ago were Henri Lansbury, Oliver Norwood, Matt Ritchie... Signing likes of David Jones, Almen Abdi, George Boyd... proved to be better option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmb Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, malek said: People wanting us to bring back players who already failed here and with their best days behind shows how poor our recruitment team is doing. We should have been looking with excitement towards next season eager to see new players in action. To be honest considering the restrictions they are working under I think they are doing ok. Not quite sure what people are expecting. Moore knows where we need to strengthen. It's clearly not easy but i'm fairly pleased with the types of signings they have made so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhopping Owl Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Matt Crooks gone to Boro. Good signing from Warnock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WUGGAMONKEY1 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 44 minutes ago, malek said: People wanting us to bring back players who already failed here and with their best days behind shows how poor our recruitment team is doing. We should have been looking with excitement towards next season eager to see new players in action. Surely the job of the recruitment team is to identity the best targets regardless of whether they have played for us before? It would be remiss of them not to. As regarding recruitment players whose best days are behind them. That’s not an huge issue for me either if they are better than the player they are replacing and will improve our prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, wmb said: To be honest considering the restrictions they are working under I think they are doing ok. Not quite sure what people are expecting. Moore knows where we need to strengthen. It's clearly not easy but i'm fairly pleased with the types of signings they have made so far. To me it seems like almost everyone is doing better than us. We have plenty of central midfielders, but not playmaker that can be counted on. We have 2 experienced right backs, but no senior left back. We don't have a single out and out striker, and no one who can play upfront alone in Moore's preferred 4-2-3-1 formation. We have 2 senior and 4 young keepers, yet not one of them can be trusted to be our no 1 next season. Not forget how poor we were last season and did nothing to address issues we had, probably thinking that playing at lower level will fix everything. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 So quiet on strikers and keepers being linked with the club. Massively worrying we are still in this position so close to the season starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, malek said: To me it seems like almost everyone is doing better than us. We have plenty of central midfielders, but not playmaker that can be counted on. We have 2 experienced right backs, but no senior left back. We don't have a single out and out striker, and no one who can play upfront alone in Moore's preferred 4-2-3-1 formation. We have 2 senior and 4 young keepers, yet not one of them can be trusted to be our no 1 next season. Not forget how poor we were last season and did nothing to address issues we had, probably thinking that playing at lower level will fix everything. I get the obsession with youth. It's like on FM, you always want to see the green arrows going up and players getting better every year. But the reality is, bringing in youngsters that havent made the grade elsewhere is always a coin throw. For every Glenn Whelan or Keiran Lee out there, there are a dozen that just won't make it. It's exciting waiting to find out if any will make the grade, but if we have a full team of unproven youngsters, they will take us down with them. Hunt is a known quantity. We know what he can do, and we know he is easily good enough for this division. We need a core of decent, known quantitities like Hunt along with the youngsters. Bringing him in was a no-brainer... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, malek said: To me it seems like almost everyone is doing better than us. We have plenty of central midfielders, but not playmaker that can be counted on. We have 2 experienced right backs, but no senior left back. We don't have a single out and out striker, and no one who can play upfront alone in Moore's preferred 4-2-3-1 formation. We have 2 senior and 4 young keepers, yet not one of them can be trusted to be our no 1 next season. Not forget how poor we were last season and did nothing to address issues we had, probably thinking that playing at lower level will fix everything. excellent post. Fully agree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingOwl Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 We’ve lost out on Paul Mullin….to Wrexham. I say lost out. We were probably never in for him. I know Wrexham are quids in. But a very odd move still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigash_swfc Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, malek said: People wanting us to bring back players who already failed here and with their best days behind shows how poor our recruitment team is doing. We should have been looking with excitement towards next season eager to see new players in action. This is true. And its also possibly a position on the pitch where developing youth would have been handy. Saving the experience for CB or GK. I couldn't have seen Hunt joining another league one club tho, swings and roundabouts. Maybe he is a coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malek Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, owlinexile said: I get the obsession with youth. It's like on FM, you always want to see the green arrows going up and players getting better every year. But the reality is, bringing in youngsters that havent made the grade elsewhere is always a coin throw. For every Glenn Whelan or Keiran Lee out there, there are a dozen that just won't make it. It's exciting waiting to find out if any will make the grade, but if we have a full team of unproven youngsters, they will take us down with them. Hunt is a known quantity. We know what he can do, and we know he is easily good enough for this division. We need a core of decent, known quantitities like Hunt along with the youngsters. Bringing him in was a no-brainer... Although watching academy player rise through the ranks for me is one of better feelings in football, that is not what I'm talking about. I don't want us to fill team with young players due to some romantic notion. I want us to try and create value withing the squad so that we could earn money and be as self sustainable as possible. I can't believe that there are club owners and chairmen who don't demand this from their managers as big part of their core job ?! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, FlyingOwl said: We’ve lost out on Paul Mullin….to Wrexham. I say lost out. We were probably never in for him. I know Wrexham are quids in. But a very odd move still. Suppose it can be attributed to the same "reason" as was given when Champions League players went to Wolves. The excitement of the project, ambition of the owner etc... That he's probably on a wedge not too dissimilar to what he would get at a bottom-6 League One club, with a guaranteed long contract and legendary status amongst the fans for such a coup joining, probably has very little to do with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 31 minutes ago, owlinexile said: I get the obsession with youth. It's like on FM, you always want to see the green arrows going up and players getting better every year. But the reality is, bringing in youngsters that havent made the grade elsewhere is always a coin throw. For every Glenn Whelan or Keiran Lee out there, there are a dozen that just won't make it. It's exciting waiting to find out if any will make the grade, but if we have a full team of unproven youngsters, they will take us down with them. Hunt is a known quantity. We know what he can do, and we know he is easily good enough for this division. We need a core of decent, known quantitities like Hunt along with the youngsters. Bringing him in was a no-brainer... I think the signing of hunt tells something though clearly DM is not in charge of new signing as we were led to believe because Hunt could not be further from DM signing if you tried. This as Chansiri written all over it, jobs for the boys, over 30, last big pat day, likely to get injured and take longer to recover. He is no better than Palmer and we now have two senior right backs yet two kids at left back, it a makes no sense signing or as we call it a Chansiri signing. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S72 Owl Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, room0035 said: I think the signing of hunt tells something though clearly DM is not in charge of new signing as we were led to believe because Hunt could not be further from DM signing if you tried. This as Chansiri written all over it, jobs for the boys, over 30, last big pat day, likely to get injured and take longer to recover. He is no better than Palmer and we now have two senior right backs yet two kids at left back, it a makes no sense signing or as we call it a Chansiri signing. Why isn’t it a Moore type signing? He signed a variety of players at Doncaster remember, not just young players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OwlPastie Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Obviously we might not have been in for Mullin, but if not it raises the question, why not? Decent age, scored for fun last year and very low risk on a free in a position that we are really lacking. At best, we unearth a gem that blooms late like Vardy. At worst we signed a striker on a free who I doubt would demand a huge wage. I'm a huge fan of Moore, and I like how he's bringing in athletic young players with a point to prove. He's shown his preferred system, but the players we've signed and are linked to aren't signed for that system. So is he working with what he has, and signings will be with the plan to change system? Going into a season with a complete new system and new players who haven't played it is a huge risk. It feels to me as if his hands are tied, he knows we are lacking so taking whomever the chairman says they can get hold of. It's either that, or the other signings are going to be big ones that have interest from other clubs so waiting for the best offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, FlyingOwl said: We’ve lost out on Paul Mullin….to Wrexham. I say lost out. We were probably never in for him. I know Wrexham are quids in. But a very odd move still. No different to a championship right back signing for a league one team though is it. He was born in Bootle, played for the youth teams of Everton and liverpool and he is now only now an hour from home playing in Wrexham, They are a team with investment, who will be a league team again very soon and he will be getting paid very well for scoring the goals to get them promoted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, S72 Owl said: Why isn’t it a Moore type signing? He signed a variety of players at Doncaster remember, not just young players. He's been looking at kids and barely anyone of them are old enough tocshave, then signs a 30 year old ex player, for a position he already has Palmer, Iorfa and Dawodu. But is working on a shoestring with 4 options at right back Yes this is definitely a DM signing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Mullin has had one good season in his career, at League 2 level. If Moore had brought him in, this thread would have been 50% moaning. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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