Guest Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Pulis is understood to have been surprised, disappointed and hurt by the comments made by Chansiri. Sky Sports News were told that Pulis wanted to leave the club with dignity and respect. However, he feels that became impossible to achieve. Pulis offered to leave Wednesday on mutually agreed terms, which would have seen him leave without a payoff, but the club would not accept that and chose instead to sack him. During his short period at Hillsborough, Pulis felt he had a good working relationship with both the players and staff. If you want to leave without a pay off then surely you just leave, hand in your resignation and don't come to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) Sacked after 45 days looks much better than "mutually agreed to leave" Pìss off Tone. Edited January 1, 2021 by Hitcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Sky Sports today suggests that Chansiri has refused that and given him a massive payoff just so that he can say he sacked him Nixon said there was no massive pay off and I was told Nixon is always right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I don’t like how Chansiri is running this club nor do I think he understands the industry or is competent. But I trust the guy when he talks, he’s all about honour to his own detriment. His version of events will be exactly what happened. Pulis isn’t trustworthy in the same way, that’s been proven in the past with what happened at Palace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, hirstyboywonder said: If you want to leave without a pay off then surely you just leave, hand in your resignation and don't come to work? That would not be recommended!!!! Do you not think that, if Wednesday got relegated after doing that, Chansiri's legal team would make a case that Pulis walked off the job leaving the club in the s h i t and should therefore be liable for part or all of the costs related to relegation as well as any additional costs related to employing a new guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hornsby Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, mkowl said: I doubt he has been paid off to a large amount. My only experience within football it took my tax return client 18 months to agree and sort his termination package. And its not like Pulis had major employment rights accrued. Surely, if Pulis was paid £2 million as said on a contract renewable each year, we gotta pay him the year's full salary, at least. Whatever way , mad appointment and can't work out why our advisors - one is Tony's mate - are still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 This whole saga is just indicative of the way the club is run. How can a manager be appointed because the "owner liked him?" Where the hell was the planning in that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, ChinaOwl said: That would not be recommended!!!! Do you not think that, if Wednesday got relegated after doing that, Chansiri's legal team would make a case that Pulis walked off the job leaving the club in the s h i t and should therefore be liable for part or all of the costs related to relegation as well as any additional costs related to employing a new guy? No. But you wouldn’t get a payoff, which is why it didn’t happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Roscoe P. Coltrane said: Successful businessmen just don't make decisions like this one. Yes they do if there's a problem solve ASAP he did by getting rid of Pulis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 makes you wonder what...apart from a pay off ,attracted Pulis in the first place. WE know Wednesday are a basket case, so surely most everyone in football knows as well. The managers must talk, the players must talk, it must do the rounds. We get the same blather every time someone tips up "massive club, potential. wonderful support blah blah blah" They rub yer back while picking your pocket. I honestly don't see a way out until we get a manager that actually needs to build a reputation, not bring one with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: That would not be recommended!!!! Do you not think that, if Wednesday got relegated after doing that, Chansiri's legal team would make a case that Pulis walked off the job leaving the club in the s h i t and should therefore be liable for part or all of the costs related to relegation as well as any additional costs related to employing a new guy? When has that ever happened in football when a manager has resigned? Do you think managers sign up to contracts that leave them liable for the costs of relegation? What if he got seriously ill or a family member got ill and resulted in him walking away? Steve Bruce walked out on is ahead of a season of decent promise that ended with us in the mire, are we taking him through the courts for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDY Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, asteener1867 said: makes you wonder what...apart from a pay off ,attracted Pulis in the first place. WE know Wednesday are a basket case, so surely most everyone in football knows as well. The managers must talk, the players must talk, it must do the rounds. We get the same blather every time someone tips up "massive club, potential. wonderful support blah blah blah" They rub yer back while picking your pocket. I honestly don't see a way out until we get a manager that actually needs to build a reputation, not bring one with him. and still we all think this one is the one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hornsby said: Surely, if Pulis was paid £2 million as said on a contract renewable each year, we gotta pay him the year's full salary, at least. Whatever way , mad appointment and can't work out why our advisors - one is Tony's mate - are still here. Not sure, there may be notice period clauses, all sorts of ifs, buts etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, McRightSide said: No. But you wouldn’t get a payoff, which is why it didn’t happen I think he would. It would be a straightforward case of breach of contract and Chansiri's lawyers would try to recover costs associated with the breach. Hence Pulis stating the need for a mutually agreed break determined by written notice. I agree on the second point that Pulis agreed to walk for nothing - I also have extreme scepticism on that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, ANDY said: and still we all think this one is the one. Suppose we do Andy...but at least we are getting to realise sooner than we did....That it isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: When has that ever happened in football when a manager has resigned? Do you think managers sign up to contracts that leave them liable for the costs of relegation? What if he got seriously ill or a family member got ill and resulted in him walking away? Steve Bruce walked out on is ahead of a season of decent promise that ended with us in the mire, are we taking him through the courts for it? Mutual agreement - not just walking away from the job. That is plain and simple breach of contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: Mutual agreement - not just walking away from the job. That is plain and simple breach of contract. Which is what I was saying - if he was so intent on leaving he could have just done it - breached his contract and walked away with absolutely nothing and no agreement. I doubt he signed anything in his contract that would leave him liable for the financial losses of the club in future - when has any manager had to pay up for the results of a club after they have left? He wanted to leave but wanted a mutual agreement so as to save face, I very much doubt the mutual agreement would have seen him leave for nothing on this basis. Tony Pulis did a poor job for our club resulting in him becoming the shortest tenure of a permanent manager in out history. Results were dire, performances were too often not much better and tactical decisions left a lot to be desired. It now appears that his application to training has been called into question. He wanted to negotiate a way out of it that didn't reflect badly on him. At least the owner held his hands up and said he made a bad mistake in appointing him in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 34 minutes ago, Rodger Wylde said: Is this a fact or a guess? Nixon says it ain't fact and Nixon is regarded as the oracle on here so I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, ChinaOwl said: Mutual agreement - not just walking away from the job. That is plain and simple breach of contract. You’re allowed to resign mate. Contracts have clauses that govern the terms around it. Usually there’s a penalty depending on what action has been taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, Hornsby said: Surely, if Pulis was paid £2 million as said on a contract renewable each year, we gotta pay him the year's full salary, at least. Whatever way , mad appointment and can't work out why our advisors - one is Tony's mate - are still here. Doubt very much that he was on anywhere near that. Just because Steve Bruce was said to be on a £2m a year contract, it doesn't mean that every subsequent manager will be getting the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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