@owlstalk Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Tony Pulis keeps speaking that the team doesn't have an 'identity' Yesterday he said: "The balance of the team is so, so important. And an identity within that balance is important." What do you think is a team's identity? Can you give a real life example? How important do you think it is for a team to have an identity? Do all other teams have an identity? Why is this like an exam? What's the meaning of life? How important is a team's 'identity'? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Massive. Examples? All the best teams. An emerging example, Southampton FC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 Just now, gurujuan said: Massive. Examples? All the best teams. An emerging example, Southampton FC What 'is' an 'identity'? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: What 'is' an 'identity'? A way of doing things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Identity can just be a way of playing that everyone in the team knows and is well drilled in. Example Prestons identity is a sh**house team. They are very good at it. Edited December 13, 2020 by prowl 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 Just now, gurujuan said: A way of doing things Explain it to me a bit more though How many teams have one? Is it like Sheff United have 'overlapping centre halves' so they're known as that? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 minute ago, prowl said: Identity can just be a way of playing that everyone in the team knows and is well drilled in. Example Prestons identity is a sh**house team. They are very good at it. Got ya What was Pulis team's identity at his previous clubs? Does anyone know? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The General Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I think he's hinting at something like Wimbledon of the 80's (Long ball, battlers) , Ajax (total football) etc Not sure - but I think that's what he's suggesting? The General 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymae's Dad Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Our identity is that of being over paid and under arsed 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Successful teams do have an ‘identity’. Liverpool had one last season. Man U used to have one. Spurs have one right now. We used to have one under Carlos. It’s a bit hard to pin down for sure and the detailed explanation would take so long that it would be an essay and no one would read it. It’s like ‘leadership’. You know it when you see it but describing it and cultivating it is hard or everyone would do it. But is is important if you want to be successful. Im not bothered about us being successful just not crap so really just a reasonable working system would do for now and leave the esoteric concepts for later! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 It’s a bit like what Chansiri said he wanted for this club. We were supposed to play entertaining football under a coach who’s job it was to improve the players. Players would be brought in to fit a way of playing, and coaches and players would be recruited to fit the system. All makes good sense, but the reality was something different. In fact, it’s been quite the opposite 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 1 minute ago, gurujuan said: it’s been quite the opposite Yep. Today’s prize for understatement of the day is awarded to the above quote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, CircleSeven said: Successful teams do have an ‘identity’. Liverpool had one last season. Man U used to have one. Spurs have one right now. We used to have one under Carlos. It’s a bit hard to pin down for sure and the detailed explanation would take so long that it would be an essay and no one would read it. It’s like ‘leadership’. You know it when you see it but describing it and cultivating it is hard or everyone would do it. But is is important if you want to be successful. Im not bothered about us being successful just not crap so really just a reasonable working system would do for now and leave the esoteric concepts for later! So it's like the "X Factor" If that's the case why doesn't Pulis just say we have one? Nobody would be any the wiser Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Got ya What was Pulis team's identity at his previous clubs? Does anyone know? Attacking, flowing total football obviously. I think that's what he wants us to be, Liverpool light. It needs a bit of work obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I am mightily impressed by the way Southampton are doing things. They have a good coach and play the right way. He works with his staff, at all levels of club, working to instil his ideas throughout all the clubs academy sides Every player who comes into the side knows exactly what his role is In this league, Swansea were pioneers, but others have followed Fulham, Brentford etc. Saturday’s opponents Barnsley are starting to lay the foundations, and that hasn’t changed under recent coaches We lurch from one way of doing things, with a particular group of players, before changing to another random manager, and another set of players It’s madness 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 You can't even hope to have an identity of any positive sort without first putting an extended run of good results together. So I'm not sure it's something you can set about actively to create without first a win, and then another...and taking it from there. It's not like Wilder started by creating an identity for the team first and then going from there. He made personell changes, he made changes to the tactics, and way of playing, and in fact struggled a little at first. It takes time. Results started to come, confidence grew. A feedback loop of positive reinforcement develops. They get momentum. All teams try to achieve this, but most fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 Nobody has yet defined for me what a team 'identity' actually is Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastFeatures Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Got ya What was Pulis team's identity at his previous clubs? Does anyone know? Good question what was monk’s what was jos’s? the only manager that came close to an identity was Carlos but that soon fizzled out after one season. Just don’t think the players are bothered or they manager isn’t given enough time with the players to change their understanding of a specific game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, ToastFeatures said: Good question what was monk’s what was jos’s? the only manager that came close to an identity was Carlos but that soon fizzled out after one season. What was Carlos' team 'identity'? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Identity is the new buzzword in recent years. My first recollection of it being used was describing the England national team under Hodgson. We were crap, so we tried to copy Spain after their success and keep the ball but it was all backwards & sideways rubbish. After that failed miserably and Big Sam was ousted after one game, Southgate got the gig and we tried to copy Germany’s model instead, producing a strong u21 team and bring it through. Didn’t quite work but got us to a world semi so better than most attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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