morganowl Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 under monk we would have lost all 4 100% . going down to 10 men early at preston and reading would have been certain defeats and maybe well beaten. swansea and stoke very likely too . pulis aint my choice but he is the right man for the job for at least the next 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, markowl said: How can you defend a manager who lets 4 strikers leave the club and replaces them with 1 striker, 1 attacking midfielder and 1 utility player? You dont' think the FFP situation the chairman landed us in had anything at all to do with that? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Nuhiu would be the perfect player for this spell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Yes, Swansea was a decent performance, we passed the ball, went forward and put a good side under pressure, in the first half anyway. The rest has been poor, extremely poor, especially for a side needs wins TP - "OK lads, I know this is the same squad as I inherited, and you can't score for toffee, but I'm the new manager, so can you start winning games now? Thanks" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, McRightSide said: Fair enough. It's really hard to judge has we've had to play with 10 men for most of the game in 50% of the games he's managed. Surely that's Pulis' fault? (it was Garry Monk's when he was here apparently) 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, markowl said: TP - "OK lads, I know this is the same squad as I inherited, and you can't score for toffee, but I'm the new manager, so can you start winning games now? Thanks" If he can't change things why did we change the manager? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Surely that's Pulis' fault? (it was Garry Monk's when he was here apparently) You won't draw me any further into your games, my friend. But keep going because I'm enjoying the rest of the thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: You dont' think the FFP situation the chairman landed us in had anything at all to do with that? Is it the Chairman or the recruitment team? Make your mind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, markowl said: Is it the Chairman or the recruitment team? Make your mind up. You think the recruitment team landed us a 12 point deduction, embargoes and FFP issues? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenners3896 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 January need to ship some dead wood out. Send brown back (waste of money) Send Rhodes out or just release him Send marriot back (see brown) Bring in some proper strikers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, McRightSide said: You won't draw me any further into your games, my friend. But keep going because I'm enjoying the rest of the thread. I think it's important when discussing things in threads that we discuss the absolute facts (no matter how painful), the alternatives, and the reality as well as any implications And not just the stuff that Wednesday fans want to hear, or want to say to try and make themselves appear more of a fan than others etc It's important Otherwise we're not dealing with reality 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: If he can't change things why did we change the manager? He has changed us defensively. He will change us offensively once the transfer window opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Yes, Swansea was a decent performance, we passed the ball, went forward and put a good side under pressure, in the first half anyway. The rest has been poor, extremely poor, especially for a side needs wins look at stoke ,reading and swanseas squad ,players who have ability ,players who have goals on there cv . then look at ours ,discount rhodes as he was finished 4years ago . add all the goals up in our squad then compare to theres , then you will have your answer . all pulis can do is get us organised for now ,he has nothing whatsover attacking wise . remember when jos took us to stain and he deployed a very defensive unit that night and got a 0-0 he did that because he had 15 players unavailable if we went 442 and pushed forward we would have got hammered 4-0 same would have happened last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, markowl said: He has changed us defensively. He will change us offensively once the transfer window opens. You sound certain Let's hope you're right because right now that's just blind faith In the meantime games are running out, Pulis is getting less points than Monk was managing and we're suffering badly from even lack of shots on the opposition's goal If you're not 100% correct, or the new strikers take time to get up to speed we are relegated - no doubt about it 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: You sound certain Let's hope you're right because right now that's just blind faith In the meantime games are running out, Pulis is getting less points than Monk was managing and we're suffering badly from even lack of shots on the opposition's goal If you're not 100% correct, or the new strikers take time to get up to speed we are relegated - no doubt about it Whose fault will it be if we are relegated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, markowl said: Whose fault will it be if we are relegated? Why did Monk get sacked? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: He's got less points since he's been here than Garry Monk managed in his last two games not forgetting 3 of our easiest games of season luton roth wycombe and hardly a shot on target . swansea stoke and reading have been scoring goals for fun this season those performances repeated in those games would have resulted in 6-0 tonkings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, morganowl said: not forgetting 3 of our easiest games of season luton roth wycombe and hardly a shot on target . swansea stoke and reading have been scoring goals for fun this season those performances repeated in those games would have resulted in 6-0 tonkings Nobody would have allowed Garry Monk any allowance for being 'hard games' so let's be fair and not try that one 1 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, markowl said: How can you defend a manager who lets 4 strikers leave the club and replaces them with 1 striker, 1 attacking midfielder and 1 utility player? Fletcher was offered a new deal. Nuhiu was as well by all accounts. They turned them down, and left. Unless monk was going to pay them himself , not sure that had anything to do with monk. nor did monk sell Lucas Joao, the leagues top scorer , last season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 The Swansea performance was promising, the Stoke performance resolute (but a truly awful, awful game). The first 30 mins yesterday had a promise similar to the Swansea game. The Preston game and the last hour of the last night's game it's unfair to judge in terms of the football since we played with only 10 men. In reality, the football itself even if we really get going under Pulis won't ever be scintillating, but football that ‘goes to plan’ can have offer a certain satisfaction. So when we see elements of a solid game plan working it at least feels as though there's progress towards something better. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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