Watto Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Apparently he likes playing a centre half at left back or right back , hence van aken playing at left back. Speaking to a West Brom fan at work who says he did it with them and with Stoke , he like tall players in those positions by all accounts , surely tough van aken is not suited to playing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A E Neuman NYowl Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Yeah he does appear to like a tall back line as I don't think he is too worried about the fullbacks getting backwards forwards putting balls into the box. I also gives you more tall players in the both your and the opponents box for dead balls. However they do have to be solid defenders. JVA may miss out because of that, but at the moment we don't have a lot of options. When Iorfa is fit I can see him coming in at right back and Palmer moving across to th left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 45 minutes ago, Watto said: surely tough van aken is not suited to playing there Is that his new nickname or is autocorrect struggling with Joost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just wonder if he will stick with the 3 at the back he played the other night. If he drops van Aken he doesnt have a lot of options. We shall see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I thought the formation against Swansea with 3 at the back worked pretty well. Börner looked comfortable in the centre of them, as did Lees on the right. Van Aken looked mostly fine too for 89 minutes. But he's guilty still of that one big error every game within that 1 other minute. Against Swansea it was costly, against Preston he got away with it, and against Luton he didn't get away with it and was sent off. If he plays on Saturday it'll only be because there's no-one else to take his place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: Just wonder if he will stick with the 3 at the back he played the other night. If he drops van Aken he doesnt have a lot of options. We shall see Did we play three at the back? I thought it was Palmer - Lees - Boerner - van Aken Luongo - Bannan - Odubajo Paterson - Reach Rhodes It was a very fluid formation, that's for sure, which Bannan, Reach and Odubajo all playing quite freely...but looked more like a steady back 4 with Odubajo occasionally providing more support to make a back 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, cowl said: I thought the formation against Swansea with 3 at the back worked pretty well. Börner looked comfortable in the centre of them, as did Lees on the right. Van Aken looked mostly fine too for 89 minutes. But he's guilty still of that one big error every game within that 1 other minute. Against Swansea it was costly, against Preston he got away with it, and against Luton he didn't get away with it and was sent off. If he plays on Saturday it'll only be because there's no-one else to take his place. He was poo all game. Ponderous, terrible first touch, passed the ball out of play under no pressure on at least 2 occasions, can't clear it properly Same the other week too. Rank awful defender Edited November 27, 2020 by McRightSide 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just now, McRightSide said: Did we play three at the back? I thought it was Palmer - Lees - Boerner - van Aken Luongo - Bannan - Odubajo Paterson - Reach Rhodes It was a very fluid formation, that's for sure, which Bannan, Reach and Odubajo all playing quite freely...but looked more like a steady back 4 with Odubajo occasionally providing more support to make a back 5 Yes I thought this was more the set up, although Van Aken often found himself in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just now, gurujuan said: Yes I thought this was more the set up, although Van Aken often found himself in the middle Ok that's good - thought it was just me It took me quite a while to figure out what the formation actually was because there was so much rotation between Odubajo and Reach in particular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 minute ago, McRightSide said: He was poo all game. Ponderous, terrible first touch, passed the ball out of play under no pressure on at least 2 occasions, can't clear it properly Same the other week too. Rank awful defender I know you're not a fan, but it's quite simply not true that he was poor all game. Still, it's indictment enough against any defender when they're making even one major error a game. That alone is not good enough. When Iorfa's back, he'll almost certainly be out the team, and quite possibly before then should Pulis opt to play just the 2 centre backs or maybe even think about dropping Shaw into a back 3. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Did we play three at the back? I thought it was Palmer - Lees - Boerner - van Aken Luongo - Bannan - Odubajo Paterson - Reach Rhodes It was a very fluid formation, that's for sure, which Bannan, Reach and Odubajo all playing quite freely...but looked more like a steady back 4 with Odubajo occasionally providing more support to make a back 5 I saw it more as Westwood Lees Borner van Aken Palmer Luongo Paterson Odubajo Bannan Reach Rhodes But your right it was fluid. As Mike Bassett would say we played the Christmas Pudding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Yes I thought this was more the set up, although Van Aken often found himself in the middle Unless it was a flat back 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, cowl said: I know you're not a fan, but it's quite simply not true that he was poor all game. Still, it's indictment enough against any defender when they're making even one major error a game. That alone is not good enough. When Iorfa's back, he'll almost certainly be out the team, and quite possibly before then should Pulis opt to play just the 2 centre backs or maybe even think about dropping Shaw into a back 3. I think left back is a major issue for us. Wouldn't surprise me if we see Iorfa - Lees - Boerner - Palmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shetland Owl Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 so , when others are fit Wildsmith Lofra,Flint, Lees, Borner Harris, Luongo, Bannan, Reach Patterson (New) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 minute ago, McRightSide said: I think left back is a major issue for us. Wouldn't surprise me if we see Iorfa - Lees - Boerner - Palmer I think left back will surely be a position he'll be looking to strengthen in January (if not before). Even with everyone fit we haven't got a single left back that's proved themselves to be anything even close to convincing. After Fox's exit, how we went into this season without a replacement, I'll never know. Palmer has done a strangely adequate job when called to play there so it might well be the way Pulis goes even when Iorfa is back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, McRightSide said: Did we play three at the back? I thought it was Palmer - Lees - Boerner - van Aken Luongo - Bannan - Odubajo Paterson - Reach Rhodes It was a very fluid formation, that's for sure, which Bannan, Reach and Odubajo all playing quite freely...but looked more like a steady back 4 with Odubajo occasionally providing more support to make a back 5 From reading comments it sounds like it could be odubajo is like a wing back to focus play on the left side so when he drops to LB it leaves luongo and bannan in the middle but when forward van aken covers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Don’t think it’s necessarily a 4 or a 5 the back? Pretty simple what was happening really, Van Aken slots into the left side when were attacking, then moves more central and Odubajo tracks back down the wing when we’re defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just now, cowl said: I think left back will surely be a position he'll be looking to strengthen in January (if not before). Even with everyone fit we haven't got a single left back that's proved themselves to be anything even close to convincing. After Fox's exit, how we went into this season without a replacement, I'll never know. Palmer has done a strangely adequate job when called to play there so it might well be the way Pulis goes even when Iorfa is back. Yes, a left back should be on the shopping list. Until then, if we’re going to play Van Aken there, then I’d be tempted to play Penney in the position Odubajo occupied, using Odubajo as a right side option. If the manager sees Reach in a more central role, where he did really well the other night, then Penney would give us natural width on the left. I actually think Penney has a better delivery than Reach, and he can drop back and assist Van Aken when needed. A new left back in January though, is essential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whowantstoberich Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 51 minutes ago, cowl said: I thought the formation against Swansea with 3 at the back worked pretty well. Börner looked comfortable in the centre of them, as did Lees on the right. Van Aken looked mostly fine too for 89 minutes. But he's guilty still of that one big error every game within that 1 other minute. Against Swansea it was costly, against Preston he got away with it, and against Luton he didn't get away with it and was sent off. If he plays on Saturday it'll only be because there's no-one else to take his place. Van aken didn’t play 90 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, whowantstoberich said: Van aken didn’t play 90 minutes Then the ratio of mistakes to minutes on the pitch is even less in his favour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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