theowlsman Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Football should not be constantly tinkered with. It’s survived for over a hundred years without too many changes. Leave be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Rev Owl said: It might be good to have a discussion about heading and brain damage but @Errol Flashman isn't wrong. Just now, Errol Flashman said: Aye. Well, I can see there been plenty of balls headed in this thread. To be fair it's me own fault for slipping into matchday. I know the score. It's a thread about brain damage caused by heading the ball Read the thread ffs You're being oversensitive There's 4 pages in this thread and the most that Pulis has been mentioned is (ironically) by yourselves Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 If heading's declining at the top of the game, might we see some managers returning to this style before too long, as fewer and fewer of their competitors are used to combating such tactics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Firstly, the weight of the ball at the start of a game HAS NOT ALTERED. Moern footballs at the start of every game still weigh the same as a new 'casey'. The difference is the composition. Modern footballs are made so that they do not absorb moisture as did the old leather 'casey', so in effect they should not be as weighty as the game progresses. Secondly, at what age did Styles and Charlton die? Long after they stopped heading a football,I would warrant. How many people ie of dementia and what percentage of them never headed a football. Surely if we are so concerned about the link between hading a ball and dementia, the answer is simple. Don't ban heading, make headgear compulsory. We didn't ban motorcycling because of the number of head injuries, we brought in crash helmets. We didn't ban F1 when 1 diver was killed when his car crashed, we made car bodies which could protect the driver. I honestly think SW have always played too much in the air in recent times, but this is largely an inability to control balls with their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 It’s really satisfying seeing a good headed goal. The balls are quite light nowadays unlike the heavy ones that ex players used to train with. Players aren’t even allowed to make contact in a challenge any more. This is football, not ballet or netball. The constant purist chat like the OP about how football should be just dilutes the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Errol Flashman said: Aye yer right. Just the fact his names int title and what have you And the several references to his type of football being consigned to history I'm thick. I'll glady admit that. But I ain't that thick. I would say, his type of football, has been largely consigned to history. The thing with the link to Pulis was, with opinion now hardening against too much heading, will he feel the need to change tack, or tactics? Who knows, he’s been out of the game for a while, we may see a new Tony Pulis style, which embraces the pass and move game played by the rest of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Personally hope they don’t put a stop to heading the ball. Would make for a very boring game. As has been said the balls are much lighter now than they where back in the day so surely that should be a big help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Buxtongent said: Secondly, at what age did Styles and Charlton die? Long after they stopped heading a football,I would warrant. I'm wondering what you mean with this one - I can't figure it out Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, Bluesteel said: It’s really satisfying seeing a good headed goal. The balls are quite light nowadays unlike the heavy ones that ex players used to train with. Players aren’t even allowed to make contact in a challenge any more. This is football, not ballet or netball. = "Keep dying and getting brain damage because I want to be entertained" Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, Buxtongent said: Firstly, the weight of the ball at the start of a game HAS NOT ALTERED. Moern footballs at the start of every game still weigh the same as a new 'casey'. The difference is the composition. Modern footballs are made so that they do not absorb moisture as did the old leather 'casey', so in effect they should not be as weighty as the game progresses. Secondly, at what age did Styles and Charlton die? Long after they stopped heading a football,I would warrant. How many people ie of dementia and what percentage of them never headed a football. Surely if we are so concerned about the link between hading a ball and dementia, the answer is simple. Don't ban heading, make headgear compulsory. We didn't ban motorcycling because of the number of head injuries, we brought in crash helmets. We didn't ban F1 when 1 diver was killed when his car crashed, we made car bodies which could protect the driver. I honestly think SW have always played too much in the air in recent times, but this is largely an inability to control balls with their feet. Well said that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: If heading's declining at the top of the game, might we see some managers returning to this style before too long, as fewer and fewer of their competitors are used to combating such tactics? Let’s hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Well it's been shown that it's the same with modern footballs A few times in this thread already Haven't read the whole thread but which modern players with the modern balls have been effected with dementia by heading the modern ball? Can see how it would effect the old fashioned players and can sympathise with them and their families, as they earned nowhere near as much as modern day footballers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: I'm wondering what you mean with this one - I can't figure it out Simple. Was their dementia a direct result of heading footballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Well said that man. Yeah - cos it's gonna be ace watching footballers heading the ball in motorcycle crash helmets ffs Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hirstysfags Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, mkowl said: A chap I know is involved in futsal and that perhaps should be the way forward upto age 14 say. I must admit when my lad plays and heads it, not something I enjoy seeing Same here. Mine plays for u11s and. I wince when one of them heads it hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, The Night-Owl said: Haven't read the whole thread but which modern players with the modern balls have been effected with dementia by heading the modern ball? FFS Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Buxtongent said: Simple. Was their dementia a direct result of heading footballs. Sounds like you should put yourself forward for the football authorities defence counsel Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Yeah - cos it's gonna be ace watching footballers heading the ball in motorcycle crash helmets ffs I never mentioned crash helmets, if they ban heading the outcry will bring down the government of the day, it will never happen . Would you ban Rugby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 The absolute idiocy off actually really truly believing that if you go up for a header you then land back down on your feet with instant brain damage and dementia though... I've read some stuff in my time but come on.... Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: = "Keep dying and getting brain damage because I want to be entertained" If there is a genuine issue despite the changes that have already been made to football and footballs and completely banning heading is the only way then do it. But if there is a happy medium which is safe do that. Whether that is changing the ball or doing it less intensively in training which is probably already the case. But if it’s going to be used by football snobs because they don’t like the ball going in the air then it will take something away from the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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