shandypants Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I’ll take Germany out of that group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night King Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Trippier (will need his defensive nouse) Henderson Rice Sterling Foden Saka Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new zealand owl Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 12 hours ago, Night King said: Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Trippier (will need his defensive nouse) Henderson Rice Sterling Foden Saka Kane I think that back 5 is exactly what he will go for. Hoping he's had enough of rice and Phillips keeps his place. Big risk playing Henderson but I actually think he has too. Such a lack of quality in that central area against Kroos and Gundogan, I reckon that's where we may lose it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Pratgate needs to leave Rice out of the line up. He won’t be able to keep up with the intensity of the game. Has to be Henderson & Phillips. Jordan is our best holding midfielder by some distance. Even if not fully fit he needs to be in there for his experience and know-how Grealish and Saka should both start, but they won’t of course. I have no idea what attacking options he’s going to utilise - apart from Sterling and Kane who are shoehorns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: Pratgate needs to leave Rice out of the line up. He won’t be able to keep up with the intensity of the game. Has to be Henderson & Phillips. Jordan is our best holding midfielder by some distance. Even if not fully fit he needs to be in there for his experience and know-how Grealish and Saka should both start, but they won’t of course. I have no idea what attacking options he’s going to utilise - apart from Sterling and Kane who are shoehorns I agree with this Front 4 of Saka, Grealish, Sterling and Kane Henderson in for Rice Don't really think Foden has done enough to cement a starting place in the team and the much more dynamic play from Saka and Grealish gives us more options We need to move the ball quicker and have the players that give us options to carry it past or at east commit opponents We were very static against Scotland - and not much better against Croatia I think the above front 4 gives us many more options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, scram said: I agree with this Front 4 of Saka, Grealish, Sterling and Kane Henderson in for Rice Don't really think Foden has done enough to cement a starting place in the team and the much more dynamic play from Saka and Grealish gives us more options We need to move the ball quicker and have the players that give us options to carry it past or at east commit opponents We were very static against Scotland - and not much better against Croatia I think the above front 4 gives us many more options Yep, specifically we need to move the ball quicker from defence/midfield into attack. No nation dilly-dallys on the ball more than England. Maguires return will be a huge boost as he likes to arrow balls cross field and break the lines with his passes through the middle. But rice & Phillips are passengers in that respect. The full backs also need an option in the middle to pass to when they get pressed on the flanks, and our current DMs aren’t positionally savvy enough to take up those areas to receive the ball and get the play moving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon barksdale Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: Yep, specifically we need to move the ball quicker from defence/midfield into attack. No nation dilly-dallys on the ball more than England. Maguires return will be a huge boost as he likes to arrow balls cross field and break the lines with his passes through the middle. But rice & Phillips are passengers in that respect. The full backs also need an option in the middle to pass to when they get pressed on the flanks, and our current DMs aren’t positionally savvy enough to take up those areas to receive the ball and get the play moving Think he might play a back 3/5 . If Kane starts up top with Sterling and Saka/foden . Henderson comes in the centre and the full backs push on ,this hopefully will be enough to beat the Germans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Grealish over Foden for me too every time. I don't think that Foden is suited to this England side. At Man City, they press high up the pitch, lots of rotation in terms of position and Foden finds space to drift into and play quick one twos with team mates. For England he is stuck on the wing, receives the ball and has no options. Grealish will be more effective in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Avon barksdale said: Think he might play a back 3/5 . If Kane starts up top with Sterling and Saka/foden . Henderson comes in the centre and the full backs push on ,this hopefully will be enough to beat the Germans. I get the impression Saka will start. I think Southgate is very fond of him and knows he can be relied upon - Foden too. I think Grealish will suffer unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Sterling and Saka have to play, pace seems to be Germany's weakness. If nothing else it might make them sit a little deeper and allow Kane to actually touch the ball from time to time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Jesus said: Sterling and Saka have to play, pace seems to be Germany's weakness. If nothing else it might make them sit a little deeper and allow Kane to actually touch the ball from time to time Kane is contributing to his own downfall by the way he plays. Part of me thinks a strong manager would point this out to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: Kane is contributing to his own downfall by the way he plays. Part of me thinks a strong manager would point this out to him Does he play the same for Spurs? If he does, it obviously works there for what ever reason, but for England it is just not working. I wish he'd just stay on the shoulder of the last man ready for the forward pass to feet or the crosses coming from wide. I don't watch much of Spurs so not sure if this is a Southgate tactic getting him to drop so deep or if that's just his natural game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Skyline said: Does he play the same for Spurs? If he does, it obviously works there for what ever reason, but for England it is just not working. I wish he'd just stay on the shoulder of the last man ready for the forward pass to feet or the crosses coming from wide. I don't watch much of Spurs so not sure if this is a Southgate tactic getting him to drop so deep or if that's just his natural game. He does, but I’d argue he plays with better wingers for Spurs who have a better collective understanding - Son, Lamela, Bergwijn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 43 minutes ago, FreshOwl said: He does, but I’d argue he plays with better wingers for Spurs who have a better collective understanding - Son, Lamela, Bergwijn I personally think it's directed by management with Kane for England. Drop deep and try to get the defence to push up so we can hit it in behind for our wingers. It's worked tbf, look at Foden hitting the post, Sterling hitting the post. Problem is Kane doesn't then seem fit enough to keep up with play. He usually wins headers as well and it just hasn't happened for him yet. I would have liked us to have changed for the last game to give somebody else a go, but can't do it now. Will be Kane unless he gets injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) Neville's team v Germany Pickford James Walker Stones Maguire Shaw Rice Philips Sterling Kane Saka Wing backs to match up / Engage Germany’s Saka and Sterling left higher in channels v Germany wide CB Rice / Philips onto Kroos/ Gundagan Interesting but not for me tbh Really don't like the look of that defence and i'd rather Mings than Walker as a CB - don't mind Walker as a Rb/RWB but he is not a CB in a 3 imo - not internationally anyway It looks too much a back 7 as well - James was poor against Scotland and Shaw just doesn't convince Dunno what Rice has on Southgate and the media but ffs he is such a nondescript player and not at Henderson's level Phillips was excellent against Croatia but nothing since - Mount is out obviously but even he was struggling I don't think any of us - including the manager know what our best team is But i'd go for the back 6/front 4 formation with the licence for one of the 6 to break into making the 4 become 5 - obviously it would be less rigid than that as the game fluctuates and spaces can appear anywhere - but i'm sure you get where i'm going with it Edited June 24, 2021 by scram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) Saw some people losing their sh*t over Neville's team. Looks to me like he's going for something along the lines of what Chelsea do with the 3-4-3 formation. If that's the case, then I'd be getting Chilwell in at left wingback. Think we could do with Henderson's energy and leadership in the middle of the park. Of the view it is time to make a decision on Philips and Rice, as in you pick one or the other. Edited June 24, 2021 by SiJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MF TAZ Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I’d have rashford up front with Kane and we’d be playing four four fkn two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I'd go Pickford Trippier Stones Maguire Shaw Bellingham Henderson Sterling Grealish Saka Kane Foden to come off the bench with Rashford and Sancho pace if needed gives good options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night King Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 If it’s a direct choice between Foden and Grealish its Foden every time. He’s on a different level to Grealish. Grealish very much the flavour of the month, one of those players that becomes a better player by been out of the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Night King said: If it’s a direct choice between Foden and Grealish its Foden every time. He’s on a different level to Grealish. Grealish very much the flavour of the month, one of those players that becomes a better player by been out of the side. I would argue we haven't seen anything from Foden to keep his place, whereas Grealish set up the goal against CR. Think he deserves his place in the starting 11. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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