Guest Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, shandypants said: My summary: We missed Pickford's distribution Reece James has to play - the two Bens either haven't had the chance or taking the chance to get in the squad. Mings is capable enough but Maguire is straight back in when fit Shaw disappeared in the second half - Chilwell is better than Shaw Ward-Prowse has to join the squad We lost our fluency when Ward-Prowse was substituted Henderson can't take penalties We have missed Mount Grealish has to start Generally, I'm absolutely baffled as to why Lingard isn't in the squad My starting eleven: Pickford James Stones Maguire (if fit otherwise Mings) Chilwell Ward-Prowse Henderson (if fit otherwise Phillips) Mount Foden Grealish Kane Ward-Prowse played well and is a fair shout to get the remaining place based on that but I wouldn't say we lost our fluency after he went off, in fact we created more chances and won the game after he was subbed. Lingard and Ward-Prowse would both be included for me though. Bit embarrassing from Henderson really. Hasn't scored from his country in over 50 games so wanted to put that stat to bed and have an England goal to look back on but blew it. It was a meaningless game anyway, would he really look back with pride if his only goal for his country came against a poor Romania side in a friendly when he had to take the ball off a regular penalty taker to try and score from the spot. Lee Dixon picked about 14 attacking players in his preferred starting line up for the opening group game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Also, bit brainless from the dirtyleeds fans booing Watkins on to the pitch and singing Bamford's name when he got the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 If the tournament had taken place when originally scheduled I think we’d have had a decent chance of doing well. Now we’ve lost any momentum that we had after a good qualifying campaign and other teams such as Italy look a better proposition. That said I still think the winners will either be Belgium or France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jim said: If the tournament had taken place when originally scheduled I think we’d have had a decent chance of doing well. Now we’ve lost any momentum that we had after a good qualifying campaign and other teams such as Italy look a better proposition. That said I still think the winners will either be Belgium or France. We won 3 qualifiers in a week in March. Squad should be well up for this tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 minute ago, The only way is S6 said: We won 3 qualifiers in a week in March. Squad should be well up for this tournament. Point I’m trying to make is even in the March qualifiers we were lacking the fluidity and clinical finishing we were showing during the euro qualifiers. Defensively we look like a mistake waiting to happen. We have decent players but the manager is a problem. He’s become too cautious on his approach over the last 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jim said: If the tournament had taken place when originally scheduled I think we’d have had a decent chance of doing well. Now we’ve lost any momentum that we had after a good qualifying campaign and other teams such as Italy look a better proposition. That said I still think the winners will either be Belgium or France. Lost momentum? We beat no hopers like Kosovo and Montengro easily in 2019 but lost a qualifier to the Czech Republic. Our form now is fine, our top players have been rested, as is the case with most top nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamjack Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Honestly close curtains if England played out in my yard. Horrible fans what cause trouble abroad. Arrogance of our commentators. Cheating players like grealish. Only me who won't watch a single euros match. I will be on here or playing bingo or something as I have f all else to bet on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Burnsie said: Lumped £10 on Italy. Bookmakers have many teams above them They are well priced but I can't see them getting beyond the semi-finals at best. Their results have been good but they haven't faced anyone of note for a long time. Edited June 6, 2021 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bez Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 So to summarise where we are now. Players: Keepers Pickford will start and has the best distribution. Henderson/Johnstone provide decent depth. No World Class keeper, but 3 decent options. Centre Backs Stones is the only immediate name on the team sheet. Maguire is a fitness concern but starts when he is ready. Mings really worries me - not good enough but he will start to give Maguire more time to find fitness. Right Backs Walker is the first choice but may be playing at RCB depending on the formation. Tripper had an amazing season so is backup. James also played well for Chelsea - tons of choice here. Left Backs Chilwell should start - he is great with corners and the best defensively. Shaw can get forward but he goes AWOL when defending. Trippier is decent cover at LB too. CDM Rice is the best Defensive Mid with tons of fitness and can stick to his man like glue. Phillips is great cover at the position after a good season. Henderson can cover this position but hasn't played for months and won't have his usual fitness. CM Depending on the formation, England like a deep lying playmaker on the pitch. The best option in JWP if he makes the team, otherwise you only have Henderson for this role. CAM Mount, Grealish, Bellingham, Foden. All can play and play well here - the formation will dictate how many can be on the field but I would want a formation that gets 3 of the 4 on the field at once, even if they can't all be in the centre of the park. LW Sterling and Rashford are bang out of form and can't start. Grealish or Foden should get the nod here. Saka is a good option on the bench if chasing a game. RW Sancho should have this position sewn up. Saka can cover here as well as Trippier if needed to. Some say Foden can play wide Right but I prefer him more centrally. Strikers Kane. Then who? DCL isn't the most inspired cover but better than Rashford. Formations: 4141 I prefer this formation given the depth we have in midfield. Get the talent on the field whilst keeping Walker from being a CB. Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Chilwell Rice Foden Mount Sancho Grealish Kane 3 at the Back Too defensive for me but Sir Gareth likes it. Bet this is his formation v Croatia. Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Trippier Rice Chilwell Sancho Foden Grealish Kane 4231 Southgate's other formation. This only works with a great ball player at CM, and with Henderson lacking sharpness, JWP is the only other candidate. Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Chilwell Henderson Rice Mount Foden Grealish Kane Southgate's Formation v Croatia You watch - this will be his formation/lineup against the Croats. Don't worry - we need to finish 2nd in the group to avoid Germany/France/Portugal. Pickford Walker Stones Mings James Shaw Henderson Mount Foden Kane Sterling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bez said: So to summarise where we are now. Players: Keepers Pickford will start and has the best distribution. Henderson/Johnstone provide decent depth. No World Class keeper, but 3 decent options. Centre Backs Stones is the only immediate name on the team sheet. Maguire is a fitness concern but starts when he is ready. Mings really worries me - not good enough but he will start to give Maguire more time to find fitness. Right Backs Walker is the first choice but may be playing at RCB depending on the formation. Tripper had an amazing season so is backup. James also played well for Chelsea - tons of choice here. Left Backs Chilwell should start - he is great with corners and the best defensively. Shaw can get forward but he goes AWOL when defending. Trippier is decent cover at LB too. CDM Rice is the best Defensive Mid with tons of fitness and can stick to his man like glue. Phillips is great cover at the position after a good season. Henderson can cover this position but hasn't played for months and won't have his usual fitness. CM Depending on the formation, England like a deep lying playmaker on the pitch. The best option in JWP if he makes the team, otherwise you only have Henderson for this role. CAM Mount, Grealish, Bellingham, Foden. All can play and play well here - the formation will dictate how many can be on the field but I would want a formation that gets 3 of the 4 on the field at once, even if they can't all be in the centre of the park. LW Sterling and Rashford are bang out of form and can't start. Grealish or Foden should get the nod here. Saka is a good option on the bench if chasing a game. RW Sancho should have this position sewn up. Saka can cover here as well as Trippier if needed to. Some say Foden can play wide Right but I prefer him more centrally. Strikers Kane. Then who? DCL isn't the most inspired cover but better than Rashford. Formations: 4141 I prefer this formation given the depth we have in midfield. Get the talent on the field whilst keeping Walker from being a CB. Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Chilwell Rice Foden Mount Sancho Grealish Kane 3 at the Back Too defensive for me but Sir Gareth likes it. Bet this is his formation v Croatia. Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Trippier Rice Chilwell Sancho Foden Grealish Kane 4231 Southgate's other formation. This only works with a great ball player at CM, and with Henderson lacking sharpness, JWP is the only other candidate. Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Chilwell Henderson Rice Mount Foden Grealish Kane Southgate's Formation v Croatia You watch - this will be his formation/lineup against the Croats. Don't worry - we need to finish 2nd in the group to avoid Germany/France/Portugal. Pickford Walker Stones Mings James Shaw Henderson Mount Foden Kane Sterling Finish 2nd in group and we would get France Portugal or Germany in quarter finals. Personally I'd rather win the group and play the last 16 round at Wembley against one of those three rather than in St Petersberg in the quarter final. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 46 minutes ago, Adamjack said: Honestly close curtains if England played out in my yard. Horrible fans what cause trouble abroad. Arrogance of our commentators. Cheating players like grealish. Only me who won't watch a single euros match. I will be on here or playing bingo or something as I have f all else to bet on Thanks for letting us all know you have no interest in England matches in the thread about England matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, Bez said: S 3 at the Back Too defensive for me but Sir Gareth likes it. Bet this is his formation v Croatia. Pickford Walker Stones Maguire Trippier Rice Chilwell Sancho Foden Grealish Kane Southgate's Formation v Croatia You watch - this will be his formation/lineup against the Croats. Don't worry - we need to finish 2nd in the group to avoid Germany/France/Portugal. Pickford Walker Stones Mings James Shaw Henderson Mount Foden Kane Sterling So you're betting on one line up and formation against Croatia and also stated he will have a different line up and formation against Croatia in the same post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 52 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Lost momentum? We beat no hopers like Kosovo and Montengro easily in 2019 but lost a qualifier to the Czech Republic. Our form now is fine, our top players have been rested, as is the case with most top nations. I wouldn’t expect you to agree. Yes, we did lose a qualifier to the Czech Republic away yet scored 5 against them at home like we scored 4/5 or 6 most games during the qualifying campaign. We haven’t found goals easy to come by in the last 12 months but it’s a racing certainty you’ll argue the to$$ on that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bez Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: So you're betting on one line up and formation against Croatia and also stated he will have a different line up and formation against Croatia in the same post. That formation. But the second prediction includes different players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 29 minutes ago, jonnyowl said: Finish 2nd in group and we would get France Portugal or Germany in quarter finals. Personally I'd rather win the group and play the last 16 round at Wembley against one of those three rather than in St Petersberg in the quarter final. It's a shocking draw for us really but you're right, we'd surely be better off with a home game against one of those 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jim said: I wouldn’t expect you to agree. Yes, we did lose a qualifier to the Czech Republic away yet scored 5 against them at home like we scored 4/5 or 6 most games during the qualifying campaign. We haven’t found goals easy to come by in the last 12 months but it’s a racing certainty you’ll argue the to$$ on that one I tend to agree with people who make a good point. Lots tend to disagree with you funnily enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jim said: I wouldn’t expect you to agree. Yes, we did lose a qualifier to the Czech Republic away yet scored 5 against them at home like we scored 4/5 or 6 most games during the qualifying campaign. We haven’t found goals easy to come by in the last 12 months but it’s a racing certainty you’ll argue the to$$ on that one We won 10 out of 10 qualifying games, many of the comfortably, going into Euro 2106 - the momentum hardly transferred into the tournament. Think you might be reading too much into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bez said: That formation. But the second prediction includes different players Hope you are wrong. Some pundits are saying the same but it makes little sense to revert to 3 at the back now. Especially as it failed against Croatia in our last tournament match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beswetherick Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Adamjack said: Honestly close curtains if England played out in my yard. Horrible fans what cause trouble abroad. Arrogance of our commentators. Cheating players like grealish. Only me who won't watch a single euros match. I will be on here or playing bingo or something as I have f all else to bet on If you think England are bad… how on Earth do you cope watching Wednesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: I tend to agree with people who make a good point. Lots tend to disagree with you funnily enough. Cheeky tw@t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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