LiamAP22D Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 What injuries did the lad have? anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamAP22D Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 14 hours ago, soldierboyblue said: If he gets convicted he's looking at a 2 stretch minimum I know someone that hit a guy with a glass, section 18 - wounding with intent. He got 8 month's and actually served 8 weeks. Not saying that's what the guy will get but it's just a case for the same thing, that I know of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamAP22D Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 15 hours ago, morganowl said: could easily have been a murder charge . been hit on back of the head at such force with a weapon could easily have resulted in that lad been murdered that day. sypolice are a disgrace , treat people right and watch how they behave better . murder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, dumboldowl said: Has he been on sick leave since the incident? Hes been on restricted duties..he might now be suspended on full pay since hes been charged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 58 minutes ago, LiamAP22D said: I know someone that hit a guy with a glass, section 18 - wounding with intent. He got 8 month's and actually served 8 weeks. Not saying that's what the guy will get but it's just a case for the same thing, that I know of. The maximum sentence for section 20 is five years’ imprisonment. For section 18 it is life imprisonment. Intent may often be a trial issue where section 18 is charged, and will often rely on inference, but proof by inference is proof nonetheless, and where there is sufficient evidence for a jury to be sure of this intention this should be left to a jury 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, LiamAP22D said: murder What's funny about that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Owl Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, LiamAP22D said: What injuries did the lad have? anyone know? Just a big gash and stitches from what I saw/heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexpistol Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, markowl said: What's funny about that? I assume the comment was in relation to saying it would be murder. If the youth had of died from his injuries I don’t think it would be classed as murder. Manslaughter yes, but the Police officer didn’t hit him with the intention of killing him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 19 hours ago, cross owl said: Criminalising the entire population by filming everything they do and guilty until proven innocent isn't policing by consent which is allegedly what the police in Britain are . Neither is it what happens in a free country . Its the kind of thing we believed only happened in communist and corrupt countries in the eighties and nineties. Now we don't even raise an eyebrow at being filmed constantly . Film me all day if they want. I don’t break the law and if filming helps keep the peace and catch criminals I’m all for it. Crack on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, sexpistol said: I assume the comment was in relation to saying it would be murder. If the youth had of died from his injuries I don’t think it would be classed as murder. Manslaughter yes, but the Police officer didn’t hit him with the intention of killing him. Ah I see. Well I'm glad this thread has caused him some amusement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, sexpistol said: Police officer didn’t hit him with the intention of killing him. A jury might see if differently. Taking the police out of this for a moment, why would a person rush in and hit anyone over the head with an object that is designed to hurt? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I might be wrong (I usually am), but I seem to recall Liam was a copper. Probably explains his amusement at the violent assault of a young lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexpistol Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Manwë said: A jury might see if differently. Taking the police out of this for a moment, why would a person rush in and hit anyone over the head with an object that is designed to hurt? I have no idea what a jury would think, but thankfully there wasn’t a fatality in this incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamAP22D Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, markowl said: What's funny about that? Because even if, god forbid, the lad died. It still wouldn't be a murder charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamAP22D Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, markowl said: I might be wrong (I usually am), but I seem to recall Liam was a copper. Probably explains his amusement at the violent assault of a young lad. Liam certainly isn't a Copper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamAP22D Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, sexpistol said: I assume the comment was in relation to saying it would be murder. If the youth had of died from his injuries I don’t think it would be classed as murder. Manslaughter yes, but the Police officer didn’t hit him with the intention of killing him. Yep Correct. the only thing funny was markowls 'its murder' comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamAP22D Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, Manwë said: A jury might see if differently. Taking the police out of this for a moment, why would a person rush in and hit anyone over the head with an object that is designed to hurt? But it's the CPS that decide what your going to be charged with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, LiamAP22D said: Yep Correct. the only thing funny was markowls 'its murder' comment I didn't say "it's murder". Probably a good job you're not a copper with that level of investigation... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamAP22D Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, markowl said: I didn't say "it's murder". Probably a good job you're not a copper with that level of investigation... You implied if the lad had died it would have been murder. Police have a difficult job, but mine was far more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markowl Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, LiamAP22D said: You implied if the lad had died it would have been murder. Police have a difficult job, but mine was far more difficult. Did I? Where? If you were a copper you'd be suspended for gross incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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