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Two young keepers that may not yet be ready

No senior left back/left wingback

One senior right back (Palmer)

One senior right wingback (Odebajo)

Six (yes six!) senior centre halves (just to clarify - that's six!!!)

Two senior wingers (Harris and Reach)

Four midfielders

No centre-forward (target man)

Two proper strikers (Rhodes and Marriot)

Two inside rights/lefts (Windass and Kachunga)

One "general" forward (Paterson)

 

If we consider that list of senior first team players, we can see that ANY formation (4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, etc) employed will require the new manager to either force square pegs into round holes or play junior first team players (e.g. Penney).  We are also somewhat prevented from successfully employing the long ball "from back to front" because we have no Target Man which is somewhat concerning as we don't have the players skilful enough to play an effective possession game.  How was Monk or the recruitment team allowed to build such a lob-sided squad?!!

 

The new manager is going to have to be top notch as he's got a real mess squad-wise on his hands.  

 

 

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4 minutes ago, shandypants said:

Two young keepers that may not yet be ready

No senior left back/left wingback

One senior right back (Palmer)

One senior right wingback (Odebajo)

Six (yes six!) senior centre halves (just to clarify - that's six!!!)

Two senior wingers (Harris and Reach)

Four midfielders

No centre-forward (target man)

Two proper strikers (Rhodes and Marriot)

Two inside rights/lefts (Windass and Kachunga)

One "general" forward (Paterson)

 

If we consider that list of senior first team players, we can see that ANY formation (4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, etc) employed will require the new manager to either force square pegs into round holes or play junior first team players (e.g. Penney).  We are also somewhat prevented from successfully employing the long ball "from back to front" because we have no Target Man which is somewhat concerning as we don't have the players skilful enough to play an effective possession game.  How was Monk or the recruitment team allowed to build such a lob-sided squad?!!

 

The new manager is going to have to be top notch as he's got a real mess squad-wise on his hands.  

 

 

Both keepers mid-twenties if they aren't ready now they never will be. Same applies to Penney bit younger but needs to step up and grasp his opportunity. The squad is lower midtable at least. Its who we get to control it and motivate it thats the key.

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It’s an issue yes, but one that could be easily remedied with a couple of signings, and a couple of back ups come January. In the meantime, a simple switch to 4-3-3, drafting in Penney at left back, and operating Harris and Reach as wingers, on their correct sides, and the only problem left is the central striker We would instantly be better balanced, and yes, without a number 9, we wouldn’t function as we might wish in attack. That would be the same, whichever system we played though, until the window opened Unbalanced yeah, but not a million miles away, if we play the right system 

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Cooke if he’s to be manager usually favours 4-2-3-1

so.
 

                  Wildsmith

Palmer    Iorfa   Borner   Penney

           Luongo  Bannan

    Windass  Brown    Reach

                    Paterson

 

subs Dawson, Van Aken, Odubajo, Hunt, Harris, Katchunga.

 

Thats a reasonably balanced lineup but a bit thin if/when we get the inevitable injuries.

A decent manager assesses his squad and adapts accordingly, at least until the next transfer window.

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2 minutes ago, Blatter said:

Cooke if he’s to be manager usually favours 4-2-3-1

so.
 

                  Wildsmith

Palmer    Iorfa   Borner   Penney

           Luongo  Bannan

    Windass  Brown    Reach

                    Paterson

 

subs Dawson, Van Aken, Odubajo, Hunt, Harris, Katchunga.

 

Thats a reasonably balanced lineup but a bit thin if/when we get the inevitable injuries.

A decent manager assesses his squad and adapts accordingly, at least until the next transfer window.

That’s much better yes, though I’d be tempted to keep it on the ground more, something we wouldn’t do if we had Paterson in the middle. Maybe Rhodes or Marriott in a sort of Pukki role, that might get us through until January, when we could hopefully bring in a number 9

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Our 352 makes sense given the squad.

 

3 - got a battalion of CBs and only one FB - tick.

 

5 - Reach and Harris are as good WBs as you could expect at this level - tick.

   - Bannan, Brown and Luongo are excellent, but clearly will rarely start. Joey is so-so cover. I’d say all in all this is a concern area.

 

2 - Need two proper strikers. I’d say Rhodes, Windass and at a pinch Paterson - tick.

 

442 would be ok too. Seems a waste of 23 of our 25 CBs, but it overcomes the midfield issue. We could play whichever two of Bannan, Luongo and Brown are fit, meaning we don’t need to play Joey, or be forced to play Reach out of position.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, shandypants said:

Two young keepers that may not yet be ready

No senior left back/left wingback

One senior right back (Palmer)

One senior right wingback (Odebajo)

Six (yes six!) senior centre halves (just to clarify - that's six!!!)

Two senior wingers (Harris and Reach)

Four midfielders

No centre-forward (target man)

Two proper strikers (Rhodes and Marriot)

Two inside rights/lefts (Windass and Kachunga)

One "general" forward (Paterson)

 

If we consider that list of senior first team players, we can see that ANY formation (4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, etc) employed will require the new manager to either force square pegs into round holes or play junior first team players (e.g. Penney).  We are also somewhat prevented from successfully employing the long ball "from back to front" because we have no Target Man which is somewhat concerning as we don't have the players skilful enough to play an effective possession game.  How was Monk or the recruitment team allowed to build such a lob-sided squad?!!

 

The new manager is going to have to be top notch as he's got a real mess squad-wise on his hands.  

 

 

Yep, take a bow Garry Monk for leaving us this hungry squad of crocks.

 

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I don't think the squad is a bad squad, I just think everyone looked uncomfortable and out of position. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a great squad and at best is a mid table team but that should be enough of a foundation for someone to come in and work with. There's still some quality and decent players here. Someone has to get more out of them both in terms of formation, performances and goals. 

 

Then of course we need to build and improve through every transfer window. 

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1 hour ago, shandypants said:

Two young keepers that may not yet be ready - They have over 100+ first team appearance between them

No senior left back/left wingback - Palmer has proven he can play there and play well in a 4, Reach is fine in a 5

One senior right back (Palmer) - Odubajo & Palmer both equally experienced 

One senior right wingback (Odebajo) - ?

Six (yes six!) senior centre halves (just to clarify - that's six!!!) - Flint long term injured, Dunkley also returning from long term serious injury - we have 4 (and the only ball player JVA is still struggled defensively)Two senior winger

s (Harris and Reach) - Windass, Marriot, Kach can all play out wide

Four midfielders - If they stay fit, very strong 3 in here (plus Reach is effective as a CAM)

No centre-forward (target man) - This is exactly the type of striker Paterson is? He just lacks the quality Fletcher had...either way not an issue if we stop playing long ball

Two proper strikers (Rhodes and Marriot) - ? 

Two inside rights/lefts (Windass and Kachunga) - ?

One "general" forward (Paterson) - ?

 

If we consider that list of senior first team players, we can see that ANY formation (4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, etc) employed will require the new manager to either force square pegs into round holes or play junior first team players (e.g. Penney).  We are also somewhat prevented from successfully employing the long ball "from back to front" because we have no Target Man which is somewhat concerning as we don't have the players skilful enough to play an effective possession game.  How was Monk or the recruitment team allowed to build such a lob-sided squad?!!

 

The new manager is going to have to be top notch as he's got a real mess squad-wise on his hands.  

 

 

 

Disagree. 

As much as I think we should bring in other types of players the only position we are desperately weak on is LB, injuries providing the squad isn't bad. 

 

We could still switch into any of 442, 433, 4231 etc and be a good team, we have the players to make anything work, (obviously we would like to upgrade some but that won't happen until Jan) - It's entirely dependant on what manager we bring in and how they want to play. For example a Pulis type may favour Paterson as a target man with Rhodes supporting and defensive back 5 with 2 holding midfielders. 

 

Imagine we bring in Eddie Howe and he gets us playing an attacking 442

 

Wildsmith

Odubajo Irofa Lees Palmer

Windass Bannan Luongo Reach

Rhodes Kachunga 

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5 minutes ago, jrh said:

It was in a similar 'mess' when Bruce came in. Good managers get the best from what they have got and improve players. 

It’s been made a worse mess since our summer window We never replaced Fletcher and Fox, which was bizarre, as they were the two we apparently wanted to keep. There then followed a procession of players we really did not need

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