Mr Farrell Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 So glad we are paying a manager and coaching team shed loads for doing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstys_achilles Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 DC has tried to take the pressure off monk. Its obvious that the players are responsible for their performance on the pitch. Games are not played in board rooms and you don't get points for anything other than scoring more goals than the opposition. The manager is responsible for the quality of the players he has decided to sign. He is also responsible for motivation and employing tactics that take advantage of the opposition weaknesses. Its unfortunate that players cannot motivate themselves. They have to much money to be able to use money as a carrot. Would everyone agree that the players are not playing at the best of their abilities. I also think the management is employing a formation that is not suited to this league or the players who are involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elderly Owl Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 13 hours ago, Gob_Bluth said: Good managers know how to get players to run through walls for them which is 100% the manager making a difference on the pitch. It might not result in wins all the time but having everyone onside and buying into what the manager is saying makes all the difference Yes, but this is balanced by the ability of the people employed to do the job, as well as their motivation on the day and throughout the game. If the player doesn’t want to play, then he is not selected ( cue abuse for the manager),if he does play and doesn’t perform ( cue abuse for the manager). On the pitch, the manager has all the responsibility but no authority to enforce players to do that which they have been instructed to do. He can only tell them and hope! Four centre halves injured at one time and everyone gets on the manager’s back! It’s a tough job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Our players under various managers made the same silly mistakes time and time again. Ball watching, not tracking players, slow at taking throw-ins, not beating the first man from corners, taking poor set pieces, not being able to put a decent cross into the box, poor distribution from keepers etc etc etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesowl Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 It’s a nothing story. As someone else said it’s about deflecting attention from Monk. It’s obvious who sets them up and he gets that wrong very frequently, but the players also under perform too often. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash77 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Dont disagree with dc for sake of it but players too often are set up to lose by monk, his record is dire after taking over from a proper manager in bruce, started well with what he inherited, but only took a few months to put his negative stamp on and wreck it. Fb's at cb (especially moses at cb marking strong strikers like toney), forestieri etc at wb, wingers/wb's on wrong sides, playing wing backs regardless when best display this season was a back 4 etc. Can't see or solve problems, negative dire, outdated tactics and signing crocks doesn't help. Players seem to be running/trying/together enough and would do better with a much smarter manager imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Whilst I can understand people taking this view it doesn't stack up in reality. Take a look at Derby. Look at the players they have. They'd be bottom if we didn't have a -6 deduction. Does anyone genuinely believe that a better manager than Cocu wouldn't be be able to have them higher up the table with exactly the same players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnishOwl Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 18 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Today Chansiri said this about not sacking Monk "It’s easy to sack the manager but sometimes it is not 100 per cent the manager’s fault. For me on the pitch, it is more the fault of the players. On the pitch, the manager can’t do anything" Something that a few people agree with and post on a regular basis I've never really agreed 100% with that and feel that managers can definitely influence what goes on during games, but I'm not 100% confident in that view EITHER What do you think? Can a manager do something about it if its going wrong on the pitch? What about the time between games? What about the initial tactics, team selection too? Or is it the case that the players (as Chansiri has said today) just aren't good enough? Shoehorning incompatible players to your fixed playbook is not a sign of a good manager. A good manager knows what he has in his hands and adapts the tactics and playing style. Much easier said than done, but still something that one person - the manager - can do over the whole team. And looks like ours has caused waves throughout all levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkowl.74 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 16 hours ago, Gob_Bluth said: Good managers know how to get players to run through walls for them which is 100% the manager making a difference on the pitch. It might not result in wins all the time but having everyone onside and buying into what the manager is saying makes all the difference Absolutely bang on. It's a team. The players have to believe in their manager from training through to tactics and team selection. He motivates their beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gob_Bluth Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Elderly Owl said: Yes, but this is balanced by the ability of the people employed to do the job, as well as their motivation on the day and throughout the game. If the player doesn’t want to play, then he is not selected ( cue abuse for the manager),if he does play and doesn’t perform ( cue abuse for the manager). On the pitch, the manager has all the responsibility but no authority to enforce players to do that which they have been instructed to do. He can only tell them and hope! Four centre halves injured at one time and everyone gets on the manager’s back! It’s a tough job. But all the above says to me that the players haven't bought into or don't' respect the manager Do you think Monk would have got the United team that Wilder took into the Prem promoted? I don't - the difference is everyone of those United players bought into Wilders plan, philosophy and would have done anything for the team, there are countless other examples, look at the Man Utd fallout from SAF to Moyes, more or less the same team with wildly difference results. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 People calling him naive because of these comments he’s made. What did people expect him to say? He was never going to lay into Monk. He was never going to sack him live on air. He backed Jos, but then sacked him a few days later. Take the comments with a pinch of salt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsdreamer Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 in 5 years I have never heard DC admit to any mistake. Totally incapable of admitting to, or just delusional about the fact that he cannot make a mistake. Partly managers fault, more the players fault and as far as us supporters are concerned, well we shouldn't even have a view on the subject. 5 figure sponsorship scotched by a few comments on social media? Bulllshit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 12 hours ago, hirstys_achilles said: DC has tried to take the pressure off monk. Its obvious that the players are responsible for their performance on the pitch. Games are not played in board rooms and you don't get points for anything other than scoring more goals than the opposition. The manager is responsible for the quality of the players he has decided to sign. He is also responsible for motivation and employing tactics that take advantage of the opposition weaknesses. Its unfortunate that players cannot motivate themselves. They have to much money to be able to use money as a carrot. Would everyone agree that the players are not playing at the best of their abilities. I also think the management is employing a formation that is not suited to this league or the players who are involved. Chansiri’s temporarily taken the pressure off Monk only in as much as everyone’s talking about his rambling interview. Tomorrow we go back to the football where Monk will be the main subject again. Just win and keep winning Garry. The only way to keep the pressure off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstys_achilles Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Blatter said: Chansiri’s temporarily taken the pressure off Monk only in as much as everyone’s talking about his rambling interview. Tomorrow we go back to the football where Monk will be the main subject again. Just win and keep winning Garry. The only way to keep the pressure off. Definitely. You could say that DC has given the dreaded vote of confidence. In his own way. If we can play like we did against Bournemouth we may have a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 People on here slam players for been awful and 'not good enough' Chairman agrees, gets slammed for it Couldn't make it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Just now, Sticky Micky said: People on here slam players for been awful and 'not good enough' Chairman agrees, gets slammed for it Couldn't make it up Simple yet so beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share Posted November 6, 2020 Just now, Sticky Micky said: People on here slam players for been awful and 'not good enough' Chairman agrees, gets slammed for it Couldn't make it up Hate these kind of posts For starters it's not the same people who are saying the players aren't good enough that are slamming the chairman for saying the players aren't good enough Posts like this tho.. Couldn't make it up 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstys_achilles Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Just now, Sticky Micky said: People on here slam players for been awful and 'not good enough' Chairman agrees, gets slammed for it Couldn't make it up Agreed. I really feel that he just can't do right for a certain section of the fans. I think its time now more than any other time to let dc get on with it and stop analysing every comment he makes. While ever he backing his manager eventually it will come right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Simple yet so beautiful Except it's not the same people who are saying the players aren't good enough that are slamming the chairman for saying the players aren't good enough Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, hirstys_achilles said: I think its time now more than any other time to let dc get on with it 6 years Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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