full fathom five Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, NorthernOwl said: And yet you've been saying how good many of our recent signings are and how great it is that we've moved away from expensive has beens. A handful of games later and they are suddenly one of the worst squads we've ever had? This is true Neil^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 You can't judge Monk on stats. Wait till he has his own backroom staff and brings in his own players. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Comparing manager stats is utterly ridiculous Let me give you an example Big Ron's squad was like driving a Porsche. Made up of quality parts, running smoothly and with excellent components Monk is currently driving a clapped out Mini Metro Saying Big Ron won more races in his Porsche so is a better driver than Monk in his Mini Metro is utter farce Come on people - you're better than this Use your noggins But you said stats were FACT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Comparing manager stats is utterly ridiculous Let me give you an example Big Ron's squad was like driving a Porsche. Made up of quality parts, running smoothly and with excellent components Monk is currently driving a clapped out Mini Metro Saying Big Ron won more races in his Porsche so is a better driver than Monk in his Mini Metro is utter farce Come on people - you're better than this Use your noggins You're just creating a strawman argument that no one is making so that you can knock down. No one is saying we should sack Monk because he has a lower win rate than Ron Atkinson and you're being purposefully obtuse. There's a very clear grey area between stats are 100% true, and stats are 100% meaningless. Fact is both the stats and the performances are not good enough or heading in the right direction and Monk hasn't shown any ability to turn things around, it's nearly a whole year since we were in any prolonged decent form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daizan10 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 hours ago, SouthernOwl24 said: This is the 'losing' thought process that will get us relegated without a fight. Im not saying tha's relevant in regards to that performance - it was doggy doo. But its not giving them their due. They are one of the league form sides at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernOwl Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Comparing manager stats is utterly ridiculous Let me give you an example Big Ron's squad was like driving a Porsche. Made up of quality parts, running smoothly and with excellent components Monk is currently driving a clapped out Mini Metro Saying Big Ron won more races in his Porsche so is a better driver than Monk in his Mini Metro is utter farce Come on people - you're better than this Use your noggins Of course the same can be said of all stats in football. League tables, top scorer charts etc etc. You could argue it's all meaningless since no 2 teams/managers/ players will ever face identical circumstances. Still I think its perfectly reasonable to look at this list and say that its indicative of the fact that Monk is doing a poor job. Whilst acknowledging at the same time that different managers on the list all faced different circumstances and therefore we are not making a direct comparison. No one thinks Monk should be top of this list. But he really shouldn't be so close to the bottom either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, NorthernOwl said: different managers on the list all faced different circumstances and therefore we are not making a direct comparison. Exactly Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 48 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Monk is currently driving a clapped out Mini Metro It's only seems clapped out because Monk is driving it. Another driver might find it is rather capable than what it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beighton Owl 87 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Have you seen the current league table and the recent run of results? Too early to judge after 7 games but we'd be mid table after 7 games not bottom 3. 3 defeats from 7 isnt the ideal start but it could be worse. Hopefully things will look more positive this time next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Manager comparisons are (and always have been) ridiculous Not the same players, division, spending power, opposition, coaches etc etc If you were ever going to compare stats of something that should never be compared it's managerial statistics It's a farce and anyone looking at them thinking it tells you anything at all is naive beyond belief It doesn’t show how well he did in the first half of last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Super Garry Monk. Don't judge him in comparison with other managers, its not fair. Judge him on how he thought the squad that he helped to get to 3rd place at Christmas were wasters so he started to dissemble that team Judge him on how that decision to break up that team worked out for him Judge him on how he has signed young hungry players now and how they will get us better results than the expensive wasters. Judge him on the merits and results of playing left sided players on the right and right sided players on the left Judge him on the impact of playing 3 at centre-back with only 2 centre-backs in the squad he picked Judge him on how well playing an attacking wing-back at CB ahead of other options is working out. Judge him on how moving to 3 at the back post lockdown has impacted on our results and performances Judge him on why we have less shots on target this season than all teams in the division except the mighty Rotherham and Wycombe. Judge him on why we are continually playing long ball to no target man Judge him on how he and his new coaching team have turned around the form of Jordan Rhodes But don't judge him against others like Jos Luhukay who made 1 signing as we were in a tranfer embargo during much of his time as its just not fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 FACTS TIME - without the points deduction this is where we would currently be under Garry Monk 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: FACTS TIME - without the points deduction this is where we would currently be under Garry Monk We were 3rd at Christmas. The facts show the decisions Monk has made since then have taken us backwards, so much so that accepting 16th place in the division playing woeful football should be seen as some sort of triumph. What have QPR done to deserve to be bottom of the table on 7 points in your factual table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, hirstyboywonder said: We were 3rd at Christmas. Proving Garry Monk is a capable manager when given the tools He currently has a toolbox with a rusty spanner and a few rusty nails in it 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Proving Garry Monk is a capable manager when given the tools He currently has a toolbox with a rusty spanner and a few rusty nails in it The toolbox he had from September to December 2019 worked OK, he chose to dismantle it. He doesn't even use the apparent rusty tools he has now for the right purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, hirstyboywonder said: The toolbox he had from September to December 2019 worked OK, he chose to dismantle it. Oh - so it was Monk that decided that we had to reduce the wage bill immediately to avoid further EFL/FFP punishment now was it? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZicoSterland2 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Proving Garry Monk is a capable manager when given the tools He currently has a toolbox with a rusty spanner and a few rusty nails in it But its his squad . He kicked out the old wasters and bad apples and brought in at least 6 players , including one with a broken leg. Those tools as you state he threw out of the box. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Oh - so it was Monk that decided that we had to reduce the wage bill immediately to avoid further EFL/FFP punishment now was it? Did he reduce the wage bill in December? How? Didn't you describe most of the players we have let go as expensive wasters or such like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, ZicoSterland2 said: But its his squad . He kicked out the old wasters and bad apples and brought in at least 6 players , including one with a broken leg. Those tools as you state he threw out of the box. Monk's said repeatedly that he isn't responsible for finding the players to bring to the club We had to reduce the wage bill immediately or we'd have got another punishment for FFP - that's not Monk's fault either Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, hirstyboywonder said: Didn't you describe most of the players we have let go as expensive wasters or such like? Doesn't mean you replace them with sunday league players mate Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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