Guest Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: They will We've become numb to it all as we're so close to it But look at our squad, look at the player values, the performances, the results My prediction (and I'm never wrong - I must point that out) is that this squad will really be looked back on as one of the most tragic, ill equipped squads in our lifetime Here's a comparison. Sibon, Kuqi, Quinn, and Pressman (although can't really remember what level he was like then) improve us, all the centre backs, centre mids and back ups for every position are better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernOwl Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: We will look back on this squad as right alongside / worse than that one And yet you've been saying how good many of our recent signings are and how great it is that we've moved away from expensive has beens. A handful of games later and they are suddenly one of the worst squads we've ever had? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMOwl72 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 At least he’s in good company at the bottom of the pile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Emilianenko said: Surely nobody can defend those stats. He needs time. He's not bottom on the first one yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Comparing manager stats is utterly ridiculous Let me give you an example Big Ron's squad was like driving a Porsche. Made up of quality parts, running smoothly and with excellent components Monk is currently driving a clapped out Mini Metro Saying Big Ron won more races in his Porsche so is a better driver than Monk in his Mini Metro is utter farce Come on people - you're better than this Use your noggins Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: Manager comparisons are (and always have been) ridiculous Not the same players, division, spending power, opposition, coaches etc etc If you were ever going to compare stats of something that should never be compared it's managerial statistics It's a farce and anyone looking at them thinking it tells you anything at all is naive beyond belief If you put up a poll on here asking the question. 'Who have been our best and worst managers in the last 50 years.?' I would guess amongst the leaders in the 'best' poll would include (in no particular order). Atkinson Charlton Wilkinson Carvalhal And the top of the poll for the 'worst' would include: Burtenshaw Yorath Shreeve Eustace Luhukay Monk It's no coincidence that those labelled as our best managers are towards the top of that points per game statistics list and those called our 'worst are at the bottom of that list. Ultimately a managers success is always going to be gauged on results. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Tommy Crawshaw said: If you put up a poll on here asking the question. 'Who have been our best and worst managers in the last 50 years.?' I would guess amongst the leaders in the 'best' poll would include (in no particular order). Atkinson Charlton Wilkinson Carvalhal And the top of the poll for the 'worst' would include: Burtenshaw Yorath Shreeve Eustace Luhukay Monk It's no coincidence that those labelled as our best managers are towards the top of that points per game statistics list and those called our 'worst are at the bottom of that list. Ultimately a managers success is always going to be gauged on results. Comparing manager stats is utterly ridiculous Let me give you an example Big Ron's squad was like driving a Porsche. Made up of quality parts, running smoothly and with excellent components Monk is currently driving a clapped out Mini Metro Saying Big Ron won more races in his Porsche so is a better driver than Monk in his Mini Metro is utter farce Come on people - you're better than this Use your noggins Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 We don’t really need comparisons to know what an absolute failure Monk has been. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MallorcaOwl Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Tweet See new Tweets Conversation Joe Crann @YesWeCrann Level 1: Checked it out, and #SWFC’s home run at the moment of 11 games in all competitions is their worst Hillsborough form since they went 15 matches without a win across the 1974/75 and 1975/76 seasons under Steve Burtenshaw and Len Ashurst. 11:53 AM · Oct 26, 2020·Tweetbot for Mac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Comparing manager stats is utterly ridiculous Let me give you an example Big Ron's squad was like driving a Porsche. Made up of quality parts, running smoothly and with excellent components Monk is currently driving a clapped out Mini Metro Saying Big Ron won more races in his Porsche so is a better driver than Monk in his Mini Metro is utter farce Come on people - you're better than this Use your noggins Didn't Big Ron assemble the quality components though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Emilianenko said: Didn't Big Ron assemble the quality components though. He did - because he was given a formula one budget to work with Monk's been thrown a spanner and told to build a car using old dustbins and a roof off an old tin shed Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Comparing manager stats is utterly ridiculous Let me give you an example Big Ron's squad was like driving a Porsche. Made up of quality parts, running smoothly and with excellent components Monk is currently driving a clapped out Mini Metro Saying Big Ron won more races in his Porsche so is a better driver than Monk in his Mini Metro is utter farce Come on people - you're better than this Use your noggins Using your own analogy Monk picked up a decent working motor from Bruce. It went ok for a while then Monk started to tweak it and it started to go badly wrong. Then he bought all his own parts and it drove just as bad as before except maybe it didnt even look as nice as it did. The trend is downwards. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: He did - because he was given a formula one budget to work with Monk's been thrown a spanner and told to build a car using old dustbins and a roof off an old tin shed Big Ron was given a shoestring budget and made the most out of what he already had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 That makes me feel really sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Comparing manager stats is utterly ridiculous Let me give you an example Big Ron's squad was like driving a Porsche. Made up of quality parts, running smoothly and with excellent components Monk is currently driving a clapped out Mini Metro Saying Big Ron won more races in his Porsche so is a better driver than Monk in his Mini Metro is utter farce Come on people - you're better than this Use your noggins It could also be said that it's much harder to be successful in the 1st Division than the 2nd Division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Emilianenko said: Big Ron was given a shoestring budget Aye... ALREYT!!! Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Tommy Crawshaw said: It could also be said that it's much harder to be successful in the 1st Division than the 2nd Division. Precisely why comparing stats of any manager from any time is utterly ridiculous and the stuff of fools Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, Nero said: He needs time. He's not bottom on the first one yet. Yes but they managed at a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Atkinson built a Porsche with ford parts. wilko built a ford with Skoda parts big jack built a Skoda with dustbin lids. monk has built a dustbin lid with Ford parts. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Aye... ALREYT!!! Turned under performing and underused players into a great team. Brought in a free transfer and transformed the way we played. Palmer , Nilsson Williams, Harkes, Wilson, King,Francis brought in cheaply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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