Inspector Lestrade Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Do we know why Parry rejected it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Do we know why Parry rejected it? Maybe not enough in it for him ? Maybe he's been promised a new job in the EPL ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Hookowl said: Maybe not enough in it for him ? Maybe he's been promised a new job in the EPL ? But it could be that the deal wasn't good enough? To many strings attached maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Inspector Lestrade said: But it could be that the deal wasn't good enough? To many strings attached maybe? Could be that....................................................my money is on one of the other two though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Hookowl said: Could be that....................................................my money is on one of the other two though. Yeah, I don't trust the bugger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Yeah, I don't trust the bugger Seems funny he's pushing the EPL package before the teams have voted on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hookowl said: Seems funny he's pushing the EPL package before the teams have voted on it. It's all way out of my experience but you get the impression of pigs and troughs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 hours ago, rickygoo said: Parry says the clubs support the plan. You can slag one bloke off all you want but if he's telling the truth then the blame is infinitely spreadable. Our fans are as guilty of slagging off "tin-pot clubs" as any other. Sadly after 20 years out of the Premier League and two decades worth of largely poor quality chairmen we're becoming what we have always ridiculed, especially to the teams that are looking globally rather than up the M1 or across the M62. I suspect we'll have to take whatever crumbs the "big clubs" offer - especially with the threat of relegation to Division Three looming. Modern football eh - we bought into the PL, in fact we were involved in an earlier potential breakaway. But we're certainly not going to be part of any European Super League. Ever since professionalism was introduced there's been a slow progress towards bigger clubs dominating. It was held off by the maximum wage but it's accelerated recently and I fear trying to stop it will be like doing a Canute. Maybe it would be better if Man Utd and Liverpool et al just fizz off into their franchise NFL style European Super League and let the rest of us get on with it. Of course clubs in League 1 and 2 will support a plan that means they wont go out of business in the next few months and will give them more money in future. It is the price it comes with that others who aren't faced with going to the wall can see. Why do the big 6 need to control the votes over all of football in order to sanction this? How long will it be until they decide giving such a good percentage of their income is too much? They will be able to vote to give less afterall. How long until they decide offering 2 places (plus a lifeline for 3rd bottom) is too much and they pull the drawbridge up further for entry into their elite game? How long until they tell 3rd and 4th division clubs that in order to keep trickling money to them they need to become feeder clubs for specific PL teams, farm all their youth and reserve players through them or go the whole hog and turn them into their b teams? How long until Parry gets voted in by the big 6 thanks to his sterling work in making them even bigger? Why did Parry choose not to consult his members over an alternative offer for the lower leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 5 hours ago, @owlstalk said: This is the reason why there's such an expectation at S6 Our fans think Chansiri could compete if we got to the Premier League At a time when he's just sold the stadium to himself and took out a mortgage/loan to pay for it The plan currently being forward is designed to prevent anyone outside the top 6 from being able to compete, regardless of how much money they can or cant invest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southportdc Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Of course clubs in League 1 and 2 will support a plan that means they wont go out of business in the next few months and will give them more money in future. It is the price it comes with that others who aren't faced with going to the wall can see. Why do the big 6 need to control the votes over all of football in order to sanction this? How long will it be until they decide giving such a good percentage of their income is too much? They will be able to vote to give less afterall. How long until they decide offering 2 places (plus a lifeline for 3rd bottom) is too much and they pull the drawbridge up further for entry into their elite game? How long until they tell 3rd and 4th division clubs that in order to keep trickling money to them they need to become feeder clubs for specific PL teams, farm all their youth and reserve players through them or go the whole hog and turn them into their b teams? How long until Parry gets voted in by the big 6 thanks to his sterling work in making them even bigger? Why did Parry choose not to consult his members over an alternative offer for the lower leagues? All of the protectionism you describe is more likely if the offer comes from the whole EPL rather than the top 6 alone. There's a reason it was Bolton who wanted to close the EPL shop entirely, and it's Liverpool and United who are selling out the lower Prem clubs to get EFL support. Liverpool and United, and the rest of the top 6, want the gap to be between them and 86 (or 84) other clubs. The other Premier League clubs want the gap to be between 20 and the other 72. They are not going to share 25% of TV revenue, they are not going to abolish parachute payments and they will still retain the right - and the clear motivation - to restrict relegation in the future. In order for the top 6 to get their own way, they're giving away much more money than the other Prem clubs will do, because they're not arsed about it - they make it back in commercial deals and the extended Champions League etc. So it basically comes down to whether clubs want to be largely excluded from the top 6 in return for a lot of money, excluded from the top 20 for a bit of money, or take the chance of 'fair competition' in the guise of what we have now. And unfortunately most clubs cannot afford what we have now. The EFL is selling out one way or another, it might as well get the most money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longreach Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Leaping Lannys Perm said: How do you buy a stake in one individual league in a league structure? What on earth would you do to make a profit? It is scary to think how they'd find a way to get money out. I could understand buying a stake in a closed league like the NFL, but how can it possibly work in a league with different teams each season and very low revenue? Maybe by getting the Premiership to break away from the FL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrowbyOwl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Nero said: The loan isn't down to lack of funds to invest. Its down to liquidity. When you say Chansiri couldn't compete in the Premier League you are making an assumption that as owner he is the primary source of funding. This isnt the case. What is the primary source of funding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 54 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: The plan currently being forward is designed to prevent anyone outside the top 6 from being able to compete, regardless of how much money they can or cant invest. It wasn’t so long ago that some people on here were asking for a PL2 to jettison the rest of the League because it suited us. Modern football is poo and we’ve played our part in making it poo sadly. I’ve thought that for a long time and Chansiri is a part of that unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, HarrowbyOwl said: What is the primary source of funding? I would say the Premier League benefits in the smaller clubs case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 PARRY VOTES FOR EVERYONE SHOCKER ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 10 hours ago, sdewsna said: Rick Parry thinks that Liverpool’s and Man Utd’s grab for power is good for the EFL - I wonder why? I said previously I thought Parry was a plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Man Utd is over leveraged. On what planet are they still able to dictate financial terms? That boat's more likely to sink than provide ROI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, southportdc said: All of the protectionism you describe is more likely if the offer comes from the whole EPL rather than the top 6 alone. There's a reason it was Bolton who wanted to close the EPL shop entirely, and it's Liverpool and United who are selling out the lower Prem clubs to get EFL support. Liverpool and United, and the rest of the top 6, want the gap to be between them and 86 (or 84) other clubs. The other Premier League clubs want the gap to be between 20 and the other 72. They are not going to share 25% of TV revenue, they are not going to abolish parachute payments and they will still retain the right - and the clear motivation - to restrict relegation in the future. In order for the top 6 to get their own way, they're giving away much more money than the other Prem clubs will do, because they're not arsed about it - they make it back in commercial deals and the extended Champions League etc. So it basically comes down to whether clubs want to be largely excluded from the top 6 in return for a lot of money, excluded from the top 20 for a bit of money, or take the chance of 'fair competition' in the guise of what we have now. And unfortunately most clubs cannot afford what we have now. The EFL is selling out one way or another, it might as well get the most money. Of course they do, doesn't mean they should get their way, just as Liverpool and Man Utd shouldn't be allowed to dictate everything. They might be giving away more money now, but they will be giving themselves the right to vote this down as soon as they so wish, or keep giving money under provisos of their own making, effectively turning the lower leagues into feeder clubs - as the Leyton Orient owner compared with baseball minor leagues in an apparently positive sense yesterday. The guise that any of this is for the good of the game is an insult and no surprise to see supporters federations and groups are the ones speaking out most against it. Whose to say other options wont arise, we now know already that Parry and the EFL turned a blind eye to one without even putting it to their members, very convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobbo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 We're witnessing the final nail in the football coffin as we know it. It will be a relief if it happens in a way, I can finally throw in the towel. Years of hanging on with FFP, VAR, courtroom drama and all the other crap. It's been exhausting to follow. How fitting that the hammer is in the hands of a corrupt, morally bankrupt c*nt. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, dobbo said: We're witnessing the final nail in the football coffin as we know it. It will be a relief if it happens in a way, I can finally throw in the towel. Years of hanging on with FFP, VAR, courtroom drama and all the other crap. It's been exhausting to follow. How fitting that the hammer is in the hands of a corrupt, morally bankrupt c*nt. I'm no Chansiri fan but even I think that's a bit strong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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