owlinexile Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, OwlsItGoing said: This may sound like a stupid idea but why not operate more like American football does have a north division amd a South division, then you could have a "payoffs" for the winners of each Because the UK is a geographically small country and it's not necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlsItGoing Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 minute ago, owlinexile said: Because the UK is a geographically small country and it's not necessary? A small country with 100s of football teams with the only ones being catered for is the top 6 the rest can roll over amd die for all they care for. Atleast over there any team can win it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, OwlsItGoing said: A small country with 100s of football teams with the only ones being catered for is the top 6 the rest can roll over amd die for all they care for. Atleast over there any team can win it Any team that is one of the Chosen Franchises. The American system is what they are trying to force on us. What would introducing regional leagues where we have to play Rotherham four times a season achieve? Edited October 11, 2020 by owlinexile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, the third man said: If we get promoted we will be an also ran, no chance of winning the league and a slight chance of winning a cup Just there to make the fixtures up as at least half the teams are already, but still losing money every year just to achieve this Looking at parachute payments; TV money, P&S and the proposed reduction of top flight clubs, it could be around 5 years until we can compete again for top 6 and it could be at least a decade or longer until we can finally go back up. The way football is going though, I don't see us going up again in my lifetime. Some of our fans will never have seen us in the top flight and might never do. Even if we do eventually go back up, we won't be able to compete like we did in the past and we'll struggle to stay up or make up the numbers at best, like you said. Edited October 11, 2020 by The Night-Owl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 The rest of the turkeys won’t vote for Christmas though will they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 40 minutes ago, mark1948 said: There is always the Leicester factor. Sooner or later in a reduces league one of the Nine will get relegated making room for for another to join the top nine. I have seen Liverpool, Man U and Man City in the second division in my lifetime so don't think that theses teams will prosper come what may. How many teams other than the top 6 or so elite clubs have actually won the Premier League since it was formed? I can only think of two, Blackburn and Leicester, who were both financed substantially, don't forget Leicester overspent whilst getting to the Premier League and Blackburn almost went bust not long after their brief success. Who does the top flight TV money and European competition money, really benefit? Because looking back at the rebranding of the old top division, it was the top London clubs, Merseyside and Manchester clubs that brought about the formation of the Premier League in the first place. The very same clubs that make up the majority of that big 6 or 9. Those clubs have mostly dominated the honours and Champions League qualification ever since the formation of the Premier League. Which means they already year on year, mostly get more money than all the other clubs anyway, yet they still want a more bigger slice of the pie? The Premier League was formed out of pure greed for more TV money, after threatening to break away and form a European or World Super League. Eventually that's what they'll get, they don't care about ruining history or tradition or any of the other clubs to get what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 41 minutes ago, OwlsItGoing said: This may sound like a stupid idea but why not operate more like American football does have a north division amd a South division, then you could have a "payoffs" for the winners of each Because that would dilute the money the top 6 get, they want to share it between 18 clubs instead of 20, not a chance they will more clubs to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, the third man said: Duplicated post for some reason Edited October 11, 2020 by the third man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwellOwl Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Laughable just how arrogant the league and the teams involved have become. We never use to have the “Top 6” but money has created this divide. Eventually, the outcome will be either another league will be created or the PL will disband because you can’t have enough money, apparently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night King Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 The EFL response EFL badge - Link to home Open navigation Search the site General EFL statement: Project Big Picture Just now @EFL_Comms 3939 views The English Football League today confirms that it has been working on an innovative proposal titled ‘Project Big Picture’ with a number of Clubs in the Premier League that looks to reset the economics and governance across the English football pyramid and in the process, protect the game in both the short and long term. EFL Chair Rick Parry said: “The need for a complete rethinking regarding the funding of English professional football predates the Covid-19 crisis. Discussion and planning around ‘Project Big Picture’ has been ongoing for quite some time, unrelated to the current pandemic but now has an urgency that simply cannot be denied. “The revenues flowing from the investment and work of our top clubs has been largely limited to the top division creating a sort of lottery, while Championship clubs struggle to behave prudently and Leagues One and Two are financially stretched despite enormous revenues English football generates. This plan devised by our top clubs and the English Football League puts an end to all of that. “The gap between the Premier League and the English Football League has become a chasm which has become unbridgeable for Clubs transitioning between the EFL and Premier League. In 2018/19, Championship clubs received £146 million in EFL distributions and Premier League solidarity payments. This compares with £1.58 billion received by the bottom 14 Premier League clubs - 11 times as much. “At the same time, Parachute Payments received by the eight recently relegated clubs totalled £246 million. This represents one-third of the total Championship turnover and creates a major distortion that impacts the League annually. “In an effort to achieve promotion from very small media monies in the Championship to extraordinary sums at the bottom of the Premier League, Championship clubs spent 107% of their income on wages last season, a figure that is unsustainable by any analysis but by no means a new phenomenon. The figure has been 99% or above in each of the last four seasons. Consequently, our Clubs incurred operating losses of £382 million last season. “In the last 12 months, owners have had to inject some £384 million in capital – all before a pandemic created the current financial crisis and impacted Clubs, alongside many of the businesses that help fund them. “Project Big Picture takes a huge step by sharing 25% of Premier League media net revenues with the EFL in order to correct this imbalance going forward. Coupled with the introduction of strict cost controls, Clubs at every level of the EFL will become properly sustainable even in the face of a major crisis – and more importantly – beyond. “Just as importantly, the financial gap between the bottom of the Premier League and the top of the Championship will be substantially reduced. This will create a much softer landing for relegated clubs. The elimination of Parachute Payments will create fairer competition and discourage irrational behaviour. “The creation of a short-term rescue fund of £250 million to replace lost match day revenue this season and last will enable every Club to plan to continue to play and move forward with certainty. As an advance against increased, future revenues this is not a loan and therefore does not need to be repaid. It could never have been repaid under the existing terms and revenue of the English pyramid. “Now is the time to address both the long-term health of the game and the most challenging short- term crisis it has ever faced. Project Big Picture provides a new beginning which will revitalise the football pyramid at all levels. This new beginning will reinvigorate clubs in the lower leagues and the communities in which they are based. “The whole of English football has been negatively impacted by this pandemic and the English football pyramid as a whole is only as healthy as those at its base. Through this proposed restructuring we aim to strengthen those who need it most at a time when they need it most. This is about building on what is good and making the most of what works well in order to benefit the game as a whole, while simultaneously tackling those issues which trouble all of us. This is a blueprint for the future of English football and for everyone who cherishes it.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Sefton owl said: Plans being put together to reduce the number of teams to 18. Thoughts? Another sign of elite level football greed? The article doesn’t have much detail but the implications will obviously be massive and who knows how it will impact other teams. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/premier-leagues-major-clubs-propose-shrinking-top-flight-of-english-football-in-major-shake-up-12101628 Reduce to 18 allows a even smaller elite to do their European league that the big clubs have always wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonLeon Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Good to see the EFL hold the interests of the PL top 6 in higher regard than their own members. This stance is also completely at odds with the Premier League too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just now, Night King said: The EFL response EFL badge - Link to home Open navigation Search the site General EFL statement: Project Big Picture Just now @EFL_Comms 3939 views The English Football League today confirms that it has been working on an innovative proposal titled ‘Project Big Picture’ with a number of Clubs in the Premier League that looks to reset the economics and governance across the English football pyramid and in the process, protect the game in both the short and long term. EFL Chair Rick Parry said: “The need for a complete rethinking regarding the funding of English professional football predates the Covid-19 crisis. Discussion and planning around ‘Project Big Picture’ has been ongoing for quite some time, unrelated to the current pandemic but now has an urgency that simply cannot be denied. “The revenues flowing from the investment and work of our top clubs has been largely limited to the top division creating a sort of lottery, while Championship clubs struggle to behave prudently and Leagues One and Two are financially stretched despite enormous revenues English football generates. This plan devised by our top clubs and the English Football League puts an end to all of that. “The gap between the Premier League and the English Football League has become a chasm which has become unbridgeable for Clubs transitioning between the EFL and Premier League. In 2018/19, Championship clubs received £146 million in EFL distributions and Premier League solidarity payments. This compares with £1.58 billion received by the bottom 14 Premier League clubs - 11 times as much. “At the same time, Parachute Payments received by the eight recently relegated clubs totalled £246 million. This represents one-third of the total Championship turnover and creates a major distortion that impacts the League annually. “In an effort to achieve promotion from very small media monies in the Championship to extraordinary sums at the bottom of the Premier League, Championship clubs spent 107% of their income on wages last season, a figure that is unsustainable by any analysis but by no means a new phenomenon. The figure has been 99% or above in each of the last four seasons. Consequently, our Clubs incurred operating losses of £382 million last season. “In the last 12 months, owners have had to inject some £384 million in capital – all before a pandemic created the current financial crisis and impacted Clubs, alongside many of the businesses that help fund them. “Project Big Picture takes a huge step by sharing 25% of Premier League media net revenues with the EFL in order to correct this imbalance going forward. Coupled with the introduction of strict cost controls, Clubs at every level of the EFL will become properly sustainable even in the face of a major crisis – and more importantly – beyond. “Just as importantly, the financial gap between the bottom of the Premier League and the top of the Championship will be substantially reduced. This will create a much softer landing for relegated clubs. The elimination of Parachute Payments will create fairer competition and discourage irrational behaviour. “The creation of a short-term rescue fund of £250 million to replace lost match day revenue this season and last will enable every Club to plan to continue to play and move forward with certainty. As an advance against increased, future revenues this is not a loan and therefore does not need to be repaid. It could never have been repaid under the existing terms and revenue of the English pyramid. “Now is the time to address both the long-term health of the game and the most challenging short- term crisis it has ever faced. Project Big Picture provides a new beginning which will revitalise the football pyramid at all levels. This new beginning will reinvigorate clubs in the lower leagues and the communities in which they are based. “The whole of English football has been negatively impacted by this pandemic and the English football pyramid as a whole is only as healthy as those at its base. Through this proposed restructuring we aim to strengthen those who need it most at a time when they need it most. This is about building on what is good and making the most of what works well in order to benefit the game as a whole, while simultaneously tackling those issues which trouble all of us. This is a blueprint for the future of English football and for everyone who cherishes it.” Surprised he managed to take the Man Utd/Liverpool owners' penises out of his mouth long enough to say all that.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, SwellOwl said: Laughable just how arrogant the league and the teams involved have become. We never use to have the “Top 6” but money has created this divide. Eventually, the outcome will be either another league will be created or the PL will disband because you can’t have enough money, apparently. It used to be the big 5, with Everton part of it along with Liverpool, Man Utd and the North London clubs. Now Everton have been edged out, and Man City and Chelsea get to dictate what happens to English football purely because they were the clubs chosen to be foreign billionaires playthings. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonLeon Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just now, Harrysgame said: Reduce to 18 allows a even smaller elite to do their European league that the big clubs have always wanted. The proposal would create a huge chasm between the top 7-9 and the rest of the PL. The bottom 9 would effectively become a ‘best of the Championship’ mini league fighting it out to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just read the EFL response and I'm absolutely speechless. Surely the EFL clubs aren't going to vote for this are they? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 As well as a change in size, the new proposals would alter the league's finances and power system. A quarter of the league's revenue would go to the English Football League (EFL), with £250m paid up front to help them through the coronavirus crisis. The FA would also receive £100m as a gift. A change in the power structure would mean an end to the one-club, one-vote system. Instead, the nine clubs that have been in the league for the longest amount of time will have full control of the running of the league. Those teams would also be able to play more games in the Champions League, which is set to be expanded in 2024. Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 minute ago, NeonLeon said: The proposal would create a huge chasm between the top 7-9 and the rest of the PL. The bottom 9 would effectively become a ‘best of the Championship’ mini league fighting it out to survive. It would indeed. The only winners would be the biggest clubs in the PL. After a few years they would just break away and offer clubs a few crumbs to keep them quiet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just now, latemodelchild said: Just read the EFL response and I'm absolutely speechless. Surely the EFL clubs aren't going to vote for this are they? Sadly there may be enough of them over a barrel financially due to COVID that they have no choice. It's essentially up to the Blunts and Brightons of this world to put a stop to this madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night King Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 minute ago, latemodelchild said: Just read the EFL response and I'm absolutely speechless. Surely the EFL clubs aren't going to vote for this are they? I don’t think it’ll matter, the other PL clubs won’t vote I favour of the current proposal. They’ll come back with 2 relegation spots in an 18 team league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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