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9 minutes ago, oldishowl said:


It’s blackmail as well because the big boys are saying this is the only way we are going to bail out the EFL. 
The reason the EFL clubs are keen are obviously the promised ongoing 25% but also the fact that they won’t get the 250 million promised bailout if they don’t agree to this.

 

We could have a competition to guess how long it will stay at 25% and how long relegation will stay. Not long.
 

Another issue is 25% of what.

One of the first changes the big 6 will bring in is the right for them to own and sell their own streaming and tv rights as a club on their own media. This will take a massive chunk out of the overall tv deals and they won’t give 25% of their own fees to the EFL 

Good point. The current sky deal ends in 18 months. Would imagine the big six are already looking at their options. If they pull the plug and go alone then sky may well not bother. We are selling our soles for very little and only with an18 month guarantee. 

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40 minutes ago, latemodelchild said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/13/efl-clubs-agree-to-put-their-support-behind-project-big-picture?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true

 

Unanimously agreed by the championship, a few in league 1 and 2 saying no. 

 

This is the death of football as we know it. Anyone outside the 18 prem clubs that are left will be feeder clubs and nothing more. Probably best that local clubs use other local clubs so we'll be either feeder for Leeds or the pigs. Obviously they won't want us up there with em though so they'll not give us any decent players in case we get close. Now where do I sign up for another 550 quid season ticket? 

 

If this were true, don't you think the other 14 PL teams would be in favour? 

 

It's their money we're getting. This reduces the gap, rather than reinforcing it. 

 

Instead, it means it's even harder for a new club to establish themselves in the top 6. The big clubs want to stop another Leicester, not protect clubs like the pigs. 

 

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Think the biggest losers of this deal will be clubs like Wednesday, Forest, Derby.
Clubs with a decent fan base and wouldn't look out of place in the Premier League and still have a small hope they could emulate Leicester and be a top 6 Premier League side but now that chance will be next to impossible.

 

I dont blame clubs like Fleetwood, Walsall or Gillingham going for it, they need the cash injection now and dont really has realistic ambitions of being in the Premier League.

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It's just so obvious the whole plan and reasoning.

Leicester - Took a big whack of the top 6, their global appeal and champions league place. MUST AVOID IN FUTURE
Newcastle - Has the fan base, city, stadium etc to become a top 6 with the right owner. MUST AVOID
Wolves - Became an established top half team that threatens European places due to new owners. MUST AVOID

Everton, West Ham -  Average prem teams that will never threaten but always compete. MUST KEEP IN LEAGUE

Amazon prime - As seen with many clubs, and live tennis, they will no doubt make a deal for live games, goodbye sharing tv money with other clubs.

B teams & talent -  Want to keep all talent under full control, mustn't allow championship clubs or Leicester (Vardy), to do well with unknown talents.

For me, if this deal goes through then I just can't support the professional sport anymore. It's almost to the point that I need Wednesday to fall apart so I can be free of the sport. The club is a drug keeping me in the horrible game.

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20 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

Think the biggest losers of this deal will be clubs like Wednesday, Forest, Derby.
Clubs with a decent fan base and wouldn't look out of place in the Premier League and still have a small hope they could emulate Leicester and be a top 6 Premier League side but now that chance will be next to impossible.

 

I dont blame clubs like Fleetwood, Walsall or Gillingham going for it, they need the cash injection now and dont really has realistic ambitions of being in the Premier League.

 

Absolutely. The vast majority of clubs have no realistic chance of becoming an established top 6 PL team, so they are losing nothing by agreeing to this.

 

They're being bribed with 5x the money others are offering, in return for being told they can't do what they wouldn't do anyway. 

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56 minutes ago, southportdc said:

 

If this were true, don't you think the other 14 PL teams would be in favour? 

 

It's their money we're getting. This reduces the gap, rather than reinforcing it. 

 

Instead, it means it's even harder for a new club to establish themselves in the top 6. The big clubs want to stop another Leicester, not protect clubs like the pigs. 

 

 

It makes it much harder for a promoted team to even establish itself in the Premiership.  TV money withheld until the club is relegated again, prize money allocated based on performance over four years. 

 

That's assuming the Council of Nine even allow you in in the first place.  If you think this deal won't alter as soon as they have all the power, you are unbelievably naive. 

 

Any Football League club that backs this deserves to go bankrupt.  Pathetic unambitious c*nts. 

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Can’t wait until someone like luton look like they will go up. You can hear the chains on the drawbridge already. 

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12 minutes ago, owlinexile said:

 

It makes it much harder for a promoted team to even establish itself in the Premiership.  TV money withheld until the club is relegated again, prize money allocated based on performance over four years. 

 

That's assuming the Council of Nine even allow you in in the first place.  If you think this deal won't alter as soon as they have all the power, you are unbelievably naive. 

 

Any Football League club that backs this deserves to go bankrupt.  Pathetic unambitious c*nts. 

 

A lot of Football League Clubs would argue they dont have the luxury of being unambitious to get to the Premier League.
They No.1 ambition is to still be in existence in 12 months time, anything apart from that can wait.

Financial problems in football go back years but Covid has brought things to a head.
Keep saying it but wages are ridiculous even at League 2 level, totally out of all proportion to the clubs income.
Hopefully this will make clubs a bit more sensible but predict it will only last a couple of season before clubs get over stretched again.

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24 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

 

A lot of Football League Clubs would argue they dont have the luxury of being unambitious to get to the Premier League.
They No.1 ambition is to still be in existence in 12 months time, anything apart from that can wait.

Financial problems in football go back years but Covid has brought things to a head.
Keep saying it but wages are ridiculous even at League 2 level, totally out of all proportion to the clubs income.
Hopefully this will make clubs a bit more sensible but predict it will only last a couple of season before clubs get over stretched again.

 

This does nothing to address the ridiculous wages problem. 

 

It just means that, no matter what you do, you can never aspire to anything more than continued existence. 

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34 minutes ago, owlinexile said:

 

It makes it much harder for a promoted team to even establish itself in the Premiership.  TV money withheld until the club is relegated again, prize money allocated based on performance over four years. 

 

That's assuming the Council of Nine even allow you in in the first place.  If you think this deal won't alter as soon as they have all the power, you are unbelievably naive. 

 

Any Football League club that backs this deserves to go bankrupt.  Pathetic unambitious c*nts. 

 

It's not naivety, it's simply logic.

 

They already have all the power. They can already do things like block promotion and relegation. The EFL has no say in how many PL member clubs there are or which clubs take those spots. So the logic of 'don't take this deal in case they change it' is completely false, because they can already change the deal on a whim.

 

So consider it from a point of view of every club looking out for themselves. Right now every PL club has an equal say in things like how many - if any - teams are relegated.

 

Under these proposals, the top 6 would have more of a say in things like that.

 

The top 6 have much less to gain by cutting off a relegation place than the sides that regularly finish in the bottom half do.

 

So it doesn't make any sense to think that the top 6 are more likely to reduce relegation places than the bottom half of the Prem are.

 

Again, there's a reason it's Liverpool and United driving this, and it was Bolton who wanted to end relegation. 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, owlinexile said:

 

This does nothing to address the ridiculous wages problem. 

 

It just means that, no matter what you do, you can never aspire to anything more than continued existence. 

 

Absolutely this, but most clubs are at that point anyway.

 

I think there's a salary cap for EFL teams and a limit on agent spending included in the proposals, incidentally.  Including, from what's been said so far, for the relegated sides. 

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Also some suggestion in The Athletic that the rules would stop spending on things like branding shirts and stadiums with the owner's name/company.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, southportdc said:

 

It's not naivety, it's simply logic.

 

They already have all the power. They can already do things like block promotion and relegation. The EFL has no say in how many PL member clubs there are or which clubs take those spots. So the logic of 'don't take this deal in case they change it' is completely false, because they can already change the deal on a whim.

 

So consider it from a point of view of every club looking out for themselves. Right now every PL club has an equal say in things like how many - if any - teams are relegated.

 

Under these proposals, the top 6 would have more of a say in things like that.

 

The top 6 have much less to gain by cutting off a relegation place than the sides that regularly finish in the bottom half do.

 

So it doesn't make any sense to think that the top 6 are more likely to reduce relegation places than the bottom half of the Prem are.

 

Again, there's a reason it's Liverpool and United driving this, and it was Bolton who wanted to end relegation. 

 

 

 

 

If that is the case, then we need to be taking football in the exact opposite direction, not entrenching a permanent caste system forever. 

 

It is not only accepting, but ensuring that the awful, diseased, money-driven global sewer that modern football has become is never going to change, except to get worse. 

 

Would literally rather just burn the whole thing down and start again from scratch. 

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Turkeys voting for Xmas.

 

Pretty apparent that the EFL member clubs have been somewhat privy to these plans for a while. The fact there is little in the way of dissension is rather telling.

 

For all intents and purposes, 72 league clubs have pretty much accepted theyll be nothing more than making up the numbers. You could argue that was the case anyway (for the most part), but this absolutely confirms it.

 

A sad state of affairs.

 

 

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The talented young players are looking to advance their careers abroad, to get game time. That's why they want the B teams in the EFL.

 To stop a situation like Sancho. £8 million in compo, now valued at what £70 million?

Greed, greed and more greed.

 

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Be an absolute travesty if this happens. Clubs thinking very short term instead of long term. Of course clubs need help but not this way. Selling your soul to the devil springs to mind. 

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8 minutes ago, DobbinTheDonkey said:

The talented young players are looking to advance their careers abroad, to get game time. That's why they want the B teams in the EFL.

 To stop a situation like Sancho. £8 million in compo, now valued at what £70 million?

Greed, greed and more greed.

 

I don't want B teams at all in the EFL, disgraceful idea. Loans are the lifeblood of many EFL clubs, because PL teams hoover up more young players than they need, or will ever play. 

 

If PL want B teams, start their own reserve league just for PL clubs. My preference would be to stop stockpiling of youth players by restricting youth/reserve squad numbers for all 92 clubs and limits on loans out, same as the limit on loans in.  

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21 minutes ago, DobbinTheDonkey said:

The talented young players are looking to advance their careers abroad, to get game time. That's why they want the B teams in the EFL.

 To stop a situation like Sancho. £8 million in compo, now valued at what £70 million?

Greed, greed and more greed.

 

 

Perhaps stop hoovering up everyone with an ounce of talent from the UK and beyond into a dozen academies and trying to develop 30 players of the same age group at once? 

 

There is zero incentive for a lot of clubs to even try to develop their own youth players any more as if they show even a glimmer that they might be able to make it they just get sucked up into the 'big team' conveyor belt, to be spat back (if they are one of the extremely lucky ones) to the lower leagues at the age of 23 on massive Premiership salaries having never kicked a ball competitively. 

 

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I would agree to all of the suggestions except the big 6 having the voting power. That stinks to me.

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