Breaking- Premier league re structure

[Guest Hornsby]

Last time EPL generated mass excitement was Leicester and that aint happening again here.

 

Not seen conflict like Parry's since Doyen directly recruited their clients for us.  

[matthefish2002]

Some things I like about the proposals.

But the special voting rights for 9 Premier League clubs is very sinister.
Maybe 70 years ago club owners at big clubs saw themselves as custodians of the game as a whole but not anymore, just bothered about the next win.
Why should American, Thai, Russian or Middle Eastern owners be that fussed about football as a whole?

 

 

[nbupperthongowl]

23 minutes ago, the mighty wednesday said:

Sorry mate. I agree with what you said which is why I said exactly. The second bit was just a joke I couldn't resist. I didn't mean to detract from the worrying point you made.

[owlinexile]

5 minutes ago, Manwë said:

Lest us forget; Sheffield Wednesday Football Club are founding members of the Premiership for the exact same reason that the EPL top guns are proposing changes to the current format; greed.  Greed suits us as long as we're the ones getting fatter.  It's when others start taking from our plate that we suddenly find our moral compass. and complain about the injustice of it all.

 

The Big 6 are doing what many others will be doing now, using a crisis as an opportunity to gain ground.  It'll happen in business, politics, and in sport too.   

Throughout Covid, fans have been calling for the EPL to throw more money at the EFL so we can continue to throw money at players and agents.   We certainly weren't throwing money at Mavis in sales or Geoff in office supplies, the taxpayer picked up 80% of their wages.  What the EPL are proposing, to the tune of a cool £0.25Bn now, and 25% of profits annually, is exactly what fans have asked for.  Secondly, how many have called for an end to parachute payments?  They are gone with these proposals.  Thirdly, there was a post about the lack of success for non-Top-6 clubs, well, the proposals end the EPL entry to the EFL Cup giving EFL clubs a genuine chance of winning silverware.

 

Ahh, but they're giving the £100m to the FA.  Lo and behold, "it's a bribe!" claim the fans, completely ignoring the much larger sum given to the EFL, of which most will go to the Championship.  What's it to be?  Money is transferred or it isn't?   When is a bribe not a bribe?  When we're on the receiving end of the cash, obviously.

 

In return, the Big 6 want something and there are conditions attached, just like they did when the Premiership was formed at the start of football.  Two fewer places, fewer games overall and potentially one fewer relegation each year.    Without a doubt, their eyes are fixed on the Champions League when they make this demand.  Alternatively, the proposal is thrown out and nothing changes, the Big 6 remain the Big 6 and Fulham come down with tens of millions in Parachute Payments.    A second alternative is that the EFL cuts the ties with the EPL.  It'd be a brave move, one that could backfire or reap rewards.   

Fans probably won't have a say, but if they do have a say, then they should do so with their idealism specs off and their reality specs on.   

 

Finally, and as always, the EFL clubs can go and tell the EPL where to shove it.  But, quite probably, they Championship clubs will be picked apart by their own greed, eyeing up the mouthwatering dream of joining an ever-powerful elite.  The L1 and L2 clubs are forgotten by all it seems.

 

I don't think anyone has been arguing from the point of view of how this effects Wednesday particularly.  It doesn't matter 'what we would do if we were one of the Special Nine'.  Of course the money offered to EFL clubs is also a bribe/blackmail. 

 

Doesn't make it not the end of the English football pyramid as anything other than a support structure for the Special Franchises That Matter. 

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, Quist said:

You have missed the point that the Championship clubs are the ones who suffer under current deal. They are not properly rewardedfor the hours of coverage they provide Sky. They should be entitled to 25% of revenue generated on their own. Basically this proposal represents the Championship proping up other EFL clubs. In last couple of years a lot of pressure from Championship clubs for fare better deal.Sky know this will have to happen and would probably result in lower PL payment. This istrying to wardd this off and an unashamed power grab by the top clubs. 

The top clubs would then be in a position to mould further changesasthey wished. 

 

Exactly. Conn misses the point that the american owners who have come up with this plan will be using it with the ultimate aim of making the PL a closed shop in in similar manner to american sports with the difference that the clubs at the very top, including their own will be able to maximise profit and monopolise success.

 

Some lower league EFL clubs may go for this. Their backs are against the wall and the instant income may be vital to them. Longer term it may also give them more financial stability and as has been said, their long term aims aren't realistically a place in the PL so the closed shop up top is no big concern to them. Their fans may be more concerned though in that they will be selling out and opening themselves up to becoming PL B teams rather than standing on their own.

 

For Championship clubs it is more of a concern. The PL becomes smaller, making the Championship harder with more 'big' clubs fighting for promotion - promotion which only offers 2 guaranteed places instead of 3 and the future could easily see this becoming just 2 further down the line. 

 

Then there's the question of what will promotion achieve anyway. It is hard enough to imagine the dizzy heights of the top 6 for a promoted club anyway but the success of the likes of Leicester does at least give some aspiration. What this will do is enable the top 6 to garner more of the revenue from domestic games while at the same time capitalising on the overseas market with the aim of preventing the likes of Leicester from ever invading their space at the top again. 

[Growl67]

The EPL is corrupt from top to bottom, I wish they’d just disappear over the horizon and then go bust. We’re better off where we are right now, at least the air is fresh and clean. 

[Guest]

34 minutes ago, Elderly Owl said:

The crowning turd in the water pipe that is the Premier League is the debacle of the parachute payments. It has single handedly deprived fair competition while creating unsustainable debt for the ambitious.

Parry, as the architect has shown a shameless disregard for the National game and the fans who pay for it. 
The “Restructure” is another betrayal of clubs and supporters beyond the Premier League. I’m old enough to remember Colchester dumping Leeds and Hereford dumping Newcastle. There will be no further point in having the FA Cup or any other “inclusive “ competition. Indeed promotion to the new Premier League will be a guarantee of relegation the following year. Where’s the incentive?

 

Just the  money then. Sod the fans Eh?

 

Parry's facade that he wants rid of parachute payments to create fairer competition is now clear for all to see. Yes he has put forward a proposal where parachute payments become a thing of the past - with the cost of this being reduced chance of reaching the Premier League, let alone any chance of success in it as the big 6 take a bigger relative share of income that will be available to those in the top flight. 

[Harrysgame]

18 hours ago, owlinexile said:

 

That's just it though.  They don't WANT you to support your team.  They don't want there to be any hope of progress.  The Americans that own Man Utd and Liverpool don't understand why you won't just switch to supporting your nearest 'Big Franchise'. 

 

Give it a bit longer and they will be moving the Magic Nine around for optimal geographic coverage. 

You may be right look at the number of local kids who already support Man city Liverpool etc. Hardly ever go to a game just watch on TV. Even local comp schools get given tickets to the lesser champ league game from Man City. Drawing new fans in.

[Harrysgame]

1 hour ago, HighworthOwl said:

They have proved once again what opportunistic scumbags they are.

 

It also pits EFL clubs against each other. Teams like Wednesday, Derby, Forest, Sunderland etc who dream of making the premier league will be outraged but if you are a Southend, Accrington sized club then it probably isn’t a bad deal. 
 

Parry is either incredibly arrogant to be so far out of step with the wishes of the clubs he represents or as Owlstalk has said multiple times this was always the plan when appointing him. 
 

If it goes through premier league B teams will soon enter the league system too.
 

The money clubs seem to have this weird idea that we all follow them but choose to slum it watching our clubs at weekends. We don’t I couldn’t give a s**t about them other than they corrupt everything beneath them. A mate of mine supports one and he thinks our only role is to nurture there young talent and we should get out pittance and shut up.  

Think Parry will have worked out more clubs can be bought at the moment due to Covid. As you say not many clubs with the means or ambition to get to the PL. Should get 18 big EFL clubs to go to the PL with a PL2 suggestion if Parry wants to push it. Would they listen?

[SiJ]

I'm sorry, but when it comes to Liverpool, I just cant take David Conn seriously.

 

I think he's bias towards them, and of story.

 

That article he wrote today is utter guff. 

[the third man]

2 hours ago, HighworthOwl said:

 

If it goes through premier league B teams will soon enter the league system too.
 

 

 

This where the clubs you mention need to be frightened

 

they wont be under the name of PL B teams, they will be called Accrington, Southend etc but under total control of a PL club with teams made up of all their players

 

there is a chance they could be in control of more than 1 team, with 20 players loaned out to a team in league 1 and a different 20 loaned out to a league 2 team, promotion could cause a problem, but i am sure they can alter rules each season to cope with that

[@owlstalk]

15 minutes ago, SiJ said:

I'm sorry, but when it comes to Liverpool, I just cant take David Conn seriously.

 

I think he's bias towards them, and of story.

 

That article he wrote today is utter guff. 

 

*adds David Conn to the list of people out to get us*

[SiJ]

9 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:

 

*adds David Conn to the list of people out to get us*

Neil - are you a failed journalist?

 

It's just that any time one is criticised you jump to their defence/cry.

[@owlstalk]

1 minute ago, SiJ said:

Neil - are you a failed journalist? 

Hi

Nope

Just someone watching the utter madness spouted from people on here towards anyone in the media

Which is why I'm creating a list of all those accused of all of them that our fans cry about so that when the full list is published everyone can see that it's  basically EVERYONE that our fans are  crying about

[Plonk]

One simple question. Why can’t they do all this without the change of voting share in the prem? After all it is being done “ for the good of the game”

[sage owl]

I've just read parry's statement  / interview.  He's more interested in the elite at the top of the premier league than he is in the clubs who effectively employ him.

Don't forget that the EFL  is supposed to be in existence purely to serve it's members the football league clubs. 

Yet here we have it's most senior and very well paid employee trying to stich up the very same clubs by reducing the chances of promotion. 

Gross misconduct and a sacking in any other industry. 

[sage owl]

3 minutes ago, Plonk said:

One simple question. Why can’t they do all this without the change of voting share in the prem? After all it is being done “ for the good of the game”

Or without diluting the chance to be promoted. 

[HIGHERSTATE]

"However, one theory - which EFL chairman Rick Parry refused to dismiss when questioned specifically about it twice on Sunday - is that the six clubs have been told they could play within the Football League if their Premier League status was threatened.

 

One source with detailed knowledge of running clubs at both Premier League and EFL level says the plan has merit but the fear of how the 'big six' might rewrite the rule book - potentially including halting relegation or blocking new owners whose investment may threaten their own status - was likely to be regarded as too big a price for many to accept."

 

 

[Sova]

I've seen the relegation play-off idea compared to the situation in Germany, where they have such a play-off. But the thing is, their 2nd division only has 18 teams. The top 2 go up and 3rd plays the team in 16th in the top tier. So their teams already have a better chance of going up than ours do now.

[ashley8]

Hoped Parry would do a good job but by backing this I think he should go! They are just trying to get all they can with the carrot of giving lower leagues money. It's pathetic and they should be told your transfers will be taxed and your overall income and put in to a pot divided down the leagues. The vulgarity of football especially at the top is a scandal. Government should tell them to sort this or they will tax them and do it them selves. The money clubs get is from people, not just directly but through TV rights our money goes to those teams. So it's time the people had a say! If on mass people got together we could force football prices down. The same products for a lot less money. Although unfortunately it will never happen. All clubs have fans from all backgrounds. Other countries like France control prices of bread! Because it's important to French people. So why not have more control over the governance of our national game. Ever since the premiership started the clubs have had too much power at the top and our current issues has slot to do with parachute payments which protect premiership teams. Our game is getting messed about by FIFA changing things all the time as it is. We need to stop this juggernaut of the top end destroying football and being told football is for us all who ever we support wherever we live. A line must be drawn now or the clubs in our league s will disappear and there will be a ceiling in the top of the championship where no club below will EVER be able to penetrate. This is rediculous and the thin edge of the wedge. Premiership help out clubs below and do the right thing!