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They have proved once again what opportunistic scumbags they are.

 

It also pits EFL clubs against each other. Teams like Wednesday, Derby, Forest, Sunderland etc who dream of making the premier league will be outraged but if you are a Southend, Accrington sized club then it probably isn’t a bad deal. 
 

Parry is either incredibly arrogant to be so far out of step with the wishes of the clubs he represents or as Owlstalk has said multiple times this was always the plan when appointing him. 
 

If it goes through premier league B teams will soon enter the league system too.
 

The money clubs seem to have this weird idea that we all follow them but choose to slum it watching our clubs at weekends. We don’t I couldn’t give a s**t about them other than they corrupt everything beneath them. A mate of mine supports one and he thinks our only role is to nurture there young talent and we should get out pittance and shut up.  

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2 minutes ago, Burnsie said:

Unfortunately, it's like the EPPP, a lot of smaller clubs thought it was a good thing as they will never be aiming to be a lower half prem team like us 

This is very true.

 

They will fail to see the bigger picture here and what's going on.

 

The whole thing reeks of corruption.

 

Parry has been reportedly working on these proposals with Liverpool (he is their ex chief exec) and Man U for three years now. A year ago he was appointed chief exec of the EFL...

 

If that doesn't reek of dodgy dealings and greasing palms then  god knows what does.

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4 minutes ago, SiJ said:

This is very true.

 

They will fail to see the bigger picture here and what's going on.

 

The whole thing reeks of corruption.

 

Parry has been reportedly working on these proposals with Liverpool (he is their ex chief exec) and Man U for three years now. A year ago he was appointed chief exec of the EFL...

 

If that doesn't reek of dodgy dealings and greasing palms then  god knows what does.

 

It also makes it seem particularly opportunistic to include the £250m coronavirus bailout as part of this deal.

 

That money should already have been distributed among EFL clubs; to hold it ransome like this while the big Premier League clubs have continued to spend tens of millions on players over the summer is shameful.

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"There’ll be elements of the plan that are not perfect that will maybe be refined but in terms of a reset of benefits and 72 of our most important clubs and their communities, giving them hope and certainty for the future, then to be honest it’s a great plan."

 

There you go...Parry has been chosen to drag everyone to the table in an attempt to get what they want.

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1 minute ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

 

It also makes it seem particularly opportunistic to include the £250m coronavirus bailout as part of this deal.

 

That money should already have been distributed among EFL clubs; to hold it ransome like this while the big Premier League clubs have continued to spend tens of millions on players over the summer is shameful.

The hilarity of Parry now preaching about redistribution of wealth. This is the man who was pivotal in the breakaway of the Premier League and the following:

 

"Just as he was in 1992 when, as chief executive of the fledgling Premier League, he helped alter a system that awarded 50 per cent of broadcast revenue to clubs outside the top tier — the second tier got 25 per cent, those below 12.5 per cent each — to one that benefited a small group and placed football on its road to ruin."

 

The financial shitshow we see now can be traced back to him ffs.

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15 minutes ago, HighworthOwl said:

They have proved once again what opportunistic scumbags they are.

 

It also pits EFL clubs against each other. Teams like Wednesday, Derby, Forest, Sunderland etc who dream of making the premier league will be outraged but if you are a Southend, Accrington sized club then it probably isn’t a bad deal. 
 

Parry is either incredibly arrogant to be so far out of step with the wishes of the clubs he represents or as Owlstalk has said multiple times this was always the plan when appointing him. 
 

If it goes through premier league B teams will soon enter the league system too.
 

The money clubs seem to have this weird idea that we all follow them but choose to slum it watching our clubs at weekends. We don’t I couldn’t give a s**t about them other than they corrupt everything beneath them. A mate of mine supports one and he thinks our only role is to nurture there young talent and we should get out pittance and shut up.  

 

Americans especially don't understand why you wouldn't just support one of the 'real' teams.  It is an alien concept to them. 

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I had a look on a few forums last night.

 

It seems mixed on the Liverpool and Manu forums...Probably the more traditionalists against it but a certain amount of arrogance from others.  Newcastle fans don't seem too happy.  Good thing is on the BBC is that about  90 percent of people can see through it and are very much against it.

 

We'll find out exactly how much sway the fans have.

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4 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said:

I had a look on a few forums last night.

 

It seems mixed on the Liverpool and Manu forums...Probably the more traditionalists against it but a certain amount of arrogance from others.  Newcastle fans don't seem too happy.  Good thing is on the BBC is that about  90 percent of people can see through it and are very much against it.

 

We'll find out exactly how much sway the fans have.

 

The fans have no sway. 

 

It's all about the 'fans' in China and the Middle East now. 

 

The Nine won't care if supporters are never allowed in the stadium again. 

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A lot of fans won't see the significance of this power grab. There are good ideas in here that can be done regardless. TV money can be distributed better outside of this proposal. The League Cup can be scrapped or format changed. 

 

 Project 'Big Picture' is condescending, its not a big picture at all. Its the picture that suits the top six and the PL, not the integrity of football clubs within the entire structure. 

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said:

I had a look on a few forums last night.

 

It seems mixed on the Liverpool and Manu forums...Probably the more traditionalists against it but a certain amount of arrogance from others.  Newcastle fans don't seem too happy.  Good thing is on the BBC is that about  90 percent of people can see through it and are very much against it.

 

We'll find out exactly how much sway the fans have.

It'll be the plastic, Mickey mouse fans who thinks it's a great idea.

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2 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

An interesting take on it from David Conn in The Guardian today. He seems to brush concerns around allowing nine clubs greater voting powers than everyone else under the carpet, though.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/oct/11/plan-to-mend-the-great-crack-in-football-pyramid-should-not-be-swept-off-the-table

 

Plan to mend football pyramid's great crack should not be swept off table

 

Liverpool and Manchester United have infuriated the Premier League, which was kept in the dark, but the premise of their proposal to reunite with the EFL is sound

 

There are so many extraordinary elements in the Liverpool and Manchester United proposals to reshape English football, and so much understandable scepticism, that the historic move at the heart of it is in danger of being missed.

 

So, for clarity, it really is true that the US owners of these two fabulously rich football corporations have produced an offer that has not been forthcoming and never seemed possible from any Premier League leadership figures for 28 years.

There are, undoubtedly, some self-serving elements to their prospectus but by far the most significant is the proposal that the Premier League should share a net 25% of its future TV deals with the English Football League, and provide £250m immediately to help the 72 EFL clubs through their financial crisis.

 

That is an offer, finally after a generation, to rejoin the top division with the three below and repair the vast, calamitous financial gap caused by the breakaway of the First Division from the Football League to form the Premier League in 1992.

The wholly negative reaction of the government to this plan for huge financial reparations, which also includes increased money for the FA and grassroots good causes – approximately 8.5% of annual net Premier League TV money – seems bizarre.

For months throughout this pandemic and its financial crisis for the game and its cherished pyramid, the culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has been urging the Premier League to use its financial might to help the “football family”.

 

The Premier League has dithered, delayed and produced nothing solid, despite being told in the spring the EFL had an immediate £250m hole and that many clubs face ruin through a Covid-19 winter of matches in empty grounds. Steve Parish, the chairman of Crystal Palace, recently argued that “Premier League clubs are being unfairly singled out” and should not have to share their money.

 

“No other industry is asking firms to bail out competitors,” Parish wrote in the Sunday Times before offering some comparisons. “The supermarkets aren’t instructed to help the corner shops. Deliveroo aren’t bailing out your local cafe.”

Quite apart from the assumption that Selhurst Park counts as a supermarket among corner shops, these are dreary arguments that do not merit earnest engagement. It is the kind of reasoning, for the maintenance of inequality, that also makes it more difficult for the Premier League’s middling clubs to be outraged about Liverpool, United and the rest of the big six looking to cement their own power.

 

With these proposals, United and Liverpool, whose majority owner, John W Henry, is said to have been contemplating the great crack in the English football pyramid for years, have thumped through the last months of stagnation and presented a coming together that has not seemed possible for 25 years.

 

The idea of the EFL having anything like a 25% share of Premier League TV deals last disappeared in the dust in 1995, when with Rick Parry as the chief executive, the top flight did offer 20% but the Football League board, to the fury of many clubs, rejected it.

 

When Parry took on the chairmanship of the EFL only one extremely long year ago, he appreciated that the root cause of the 72 clubs’ various financial agonies is the eye-watering gap with the Premier League and the parachute payments that further distort the landscape in the Championship.

 

When he has spoken up and made that plain, including calling parachute payments “an evil that needs to be eradicated”, he has generally been patronised. The Premier League’s administrators and smaller clubs seem to have been proceeding on the basis they would not be seriously pressured into sharing their money more equitably, as they haven’t for the past quarter-century.

 

To be fair, nobody except Parry seems to have been aware that Henry, across the Atlantic, was informing himself about all of this, apparently becoming more knowledgeable about the bitter 1992 breakaway than many English football people who really should know that history better. And of all people who could be expected to support the idea of putting the game back together, it turns out to be Joel Glazer, of the family whose £525m debt-loading, 2005 takeover of United has been such a burden at Old Trafford and caused so much rancour and unhappiness.

 

Of course it is also true this proposal does not come without some pain but that Henry and Glazer do not envisage feeling any of it themselves. There is a planned consolidation of voting power within the Premier League of the big six plus the three outside clubs that have been in the top flight longest, Everton, Southampton and West Ham, and that is simply not a good look. The 25% for the EFL is mostly to be found by reducing the Premier League to 18 clubs – the original 1990 FA proposal that was never implemented – and scrapping parachute payments, rather than ceding the money out of Old Trafford or Anfield revenues.

 

United and Liverpool envisage their time being freed for more Champions League matches, which will happen anyway from 2024 when Uefa’s competition is inevitably expanded, and lucrative pre-season tours. They insist their proposals are not an effort to seize more of the Premier League TV money but it is likely other Premier League clubs will get less. It will make it more difficult to break into the top six; the more even competition will be created in the relegation zone.

 

So, quite rightly, there should be a battle over the detail of these proposals. If the other 14 Premier League clubs want to fight for the maintenance of the one club, one vote system that is understandable; most football people would agree with it.

But the heart of the plan should not be swept off the table, which is for the Premier League to finally reconnect with the EFL, mend the gap and ease the senseless worry that loved and historic clubs will go bust in the time of football’s greatest boom.

You have missed the point that the Championship clubs are the ones who suffer under current deal. They are not properly rewardedfor the hours of coverage they provide Sky. They should be entitled to 25% of revenue generated on their own. Basically this proposal represents the Championship proping up other EFL clubs. In last couple of years a lot of pressure from Championship clubs for fare better deal.Sky know this will have to happen and would probably result in lower PL payment. This istrying to wardd this off and an unashamed power grab by the top clubs. 

The top clubs would then be in a position to mould further changesasthey wished. 

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How will this be voted through? Don't current PL changes need to be carried unanimously, if so the other 11 PL clubs will never vote to reduce the number of teams from 20. Clearly one of the reasons why they wish to amend future voting rules.

 

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3 minutes ago, Quist said:

You have missed the point that the Championship clubs are the ones who suffer under current deal. They are not properly rewardedfor the hours of coverage they provide Sky. They should be entitled to 25% of revenue generated on their own. Basically this proposal represents the Championship proping up other EFL clubs. In last couple of years a lot of pressure from Championship clubs for fare better deal.Sky know this will have to happen and would probably result in lower PL payment. This istrying to wardd this off and an unashamed power grab by the top clubs. 

The top clubs would then be in a position to mould further changesasthey wished. 

 

I didn't write the article; I just shared it on here!

 

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The crowning turd in the water pipe that is the Premier League is the debacle of the parachute payments. It has single handedly deprived fair competition while creating unsustainable debt for the ambitious.

Parry, as the architect has shown a shameless disregard for the National game and the fans who pay for it. 
The “Restructure” is another betrayal of clubs and supporters beyond the Premier League. I’m old enough to remember Colchester dumping Leeds and Hereford dumping Newcastle. There will be no further point in having the FA Cup or any other “inclusive “ competition. Indeed promotion to the new Premier League will be a guarantee of relegation the following year. Where’s the incentive?

 

Just the  money then. Sod the fans Eh?

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12 hours ago, nbupperthongowl said:

Not what I meant....I was talking about clubs voting for this due to their dire short term financial situation, not taking a longer term strategic view

 

One thing this proposal has magnified is that all teams have an equal vote on these issues


Sorry mate. I agree with what you said which is why I said exactly. The second bit was just a joke I couldn't resist. I didn't mean to detract from the worrying point you made.

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2 hours ago, owlinexile said:

When you look at the money side of things, you realise just how devious they have been. 

 

Yes, it's £250million up front, and a share of future TV money, but:

 

1)No more parachute payments

2) Funding 2 fewer teams

3) All future TV contracts negotiated jointly so, say, the Championship would no longer be able to sell its own TV rights to compete with the Premier League. 

4) No vital League Cup income for smaller clubs 

5) EFL has to take corporate sponsors from the Premier League - no selling their own rights, all advertising boards everywhere will be the same like international matches, no local businesses supporting their club etc.  (incidentally no more Elev-8 or D-Taxis, so I suppose that's something). EFL teams will be unable to raise their own funds. 

 

It's an absolute stitch up. 

 

Indeed and Rick Parry The former Liverpool Chief Ex  has signed off on it.

 

The biggest stitch up of the lot that this guy has not been removed from his position.

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Lest us forget; Sheffield Wednesday Football Club are founding members of the Premiership for the exact same reason that the EPL top guns are proposing changes to the current format; greed.  Greed suits us as long as we're the ones getting fatter.  It's when others start taking from our plate that we suddenly find our moral compass. and complain about the injustice of it all.

 

The Big 6 are doing what many others will be doing now, using a crisis as an opportunity to gain ground.  It'll happen in business, politics, and in sport too.   


Throughout Covid, fans have been calling for the EPL to throw more money at the EFL so we can continue to throw money at players and agents.   We certainly weren't throwing money at Mavis in sales or Geoff in office supplies, the taxpayer picked up 80% of their wages.  What the EPL are proposing, to the tune of a cool £0.25Bn now, and 25% of profits annually, is exactly what fans have asked for.  Secondly, how many have called for an end to parachute payments?  They are gone with these proposals.  Thirdly, there was a post about the lack of success for non-Top-6 clubs, well, the proposals end the EPL entry to the EFL Cup giving EFL clubs a genuine chance of winning silverware.

 

Ahh, but they're giving the £100m to the FA.  Lo and behold, "it's a bribe!" claim the fans, completely ignoring the much larger sum given to the EFL, of which most will go to the Championship.  What's it to be?  Money is transferred or it isn't?   When is a bribe not a bribe?  When we're on the receiving end of the cash, obviously.

 

In return, the Big 6 want something and there are conditions attached, just like they did when the Premiership was formed at the start of football.  Two fewer places, fewer games overall and potentially one fewer relegation each year.    Without a doubt, their eyes are fixed on the Champions League when they make this demand.  Alternatively, the proposal is thrown out and nothing changes, the Big 6 remain the Big 6 and Fulham come down with tens of millions in Parachute Payments.    A second alternative is that the EFL cuts the ties with the EPL.  It'd be a brave move, one that could backfire or reap rewards.   


Fans probably won't have a say, but if they do have a say, then they should do so with their idealism specs off and their reality specs on.   

 

Finally, and as always, the EFL clubs can go and tell the EPL where to shove it.  But, quite probably, they Championship clubs will be picked apart by their own greed, eyeing up the mouthwatering dream of joining an ever-powerful elite.  The L1 and L2 clubs are forgotten by all it seems.

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