room0035 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, parajack said: What is the point of adding last seasons stats to this? You must realise you are not comparing like with like?....There was a multitude of factors last year,none of which in my opinion were the managers doing,which conspired to cause the dramatic loss of form.. (ok some tactics questionable, i will give ground there,selections & substitutions can be debated,fair enough....but did they cost us games? or was it something else??) I refuse to make the case again,its totally pointless (but fizz it i will!!) Some on here with mngt experience have shared their experience's of dealing with alleged toxic influences in the workplace,and the sometimes devastating impact it can have. I have experienced it myself,and can recognise it when i allegedly see it....You dont seem to care,ignore monks record pre Xmas, ignore the fact that the side harvested enough points to remain in the Championship as of right, insist its 'all monks fault' no mention whatsoever,of the people on the pitch,(or not!!) being paid astronomical sums of money,to play a game,yes a 'game' of football. Incapable it seems of even doing the 'basics' allegedly adequately or consistently.. Why is/was that? why were professional Athletes who train weekly allegedly unable to follow instructions? get things so allegedly badly.and so often wrong....Why? Not good enough? allegedly not care enough?... Monk is left with the rump of that squad,not his players,he is doing his best..... Stop posting the same old same old......how many times now are you going to 'rehash' the same opinion about our manager? we get it Let's just forget it happened so you can make out like everything is rosy in the garden. Monk has been in charge 44 league game just because for 40 of those games he was awful you don't forget that. The biggest problem from last season - some fool came out in January and told half the first team squad you would be leaving in the summer, oh yeah that fool, he was called Monk too. Take last season squad put monk in charge, or bullen. I guarantee with Bullen who I don't rate but he would achieved more points because like it or not, last season awful run was as much the stubborn bloke refusing to play Westwood, Hutch, Fessi and it was the players Monk picked over them not giving a shi t either way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, room0035 said: Let's just forget it happened so you can make out like everything is rosy in the garden. Monk has been in charge 44 league game just because for 40 of those games he was awful you don't forget that. The biggest problem from last season - some fool came out in January and told half the first team squad you would be leaving in the summer, oh yeah that fool, he was called Monk too. Take last season squad put monk in charge, or bullen. I guarantee with Bullen who I don't rate but he would achieved more points because like it or not, last season awful run was as much the stubborn bloke refusing to play Westwood, Hutch, Fessi and it was the players Monk picked over them not giving a shi t either way. Westwood was dropped for form reasons,FF suspended,injured,and form nothing to shout about,Hutchinson,injured than not played,form nothing to shout about.....these discussions go on and on.....these players were allegedly not doing it when available and picked.... Of course he read them the riot act,at that pint (that too.....point!!) if you want my opinion,i think he was that sick of what he was seeing,he wasnt prepared to put up with it,any longer & if it cost him his job,at least he wouldn't have to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Watto said: Well considering Chansiri kept hold of both Carlos and Joss long after their sell by date then do t be surprised if Monk is still here at Xmas if the results don't improve. Monks goin nowhere..even if we lose every week..we had our chance to get rid for little cost but we didn’t..know all his buddies are here..it wud cost a mint to get rid of them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catdog1121 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, Therealrealist said: Monks goin nowhere..even if we lose every week..we had our chance to get rid for little cost but we didn’t..know all his buddies are here..it wud cost a mint to get rid of them all I mean though all credit to him, he tried his best to get sacked second half of last season which resulted in us being so bad instead of having the 12 point deduction last season meaning nothing we have it this season. I really am not a fan of Monk and will continue to ridicule him but at the same time I agree were stuck with this muppet now, even if he gets us relegated I think even he could get us out of league one with Chansiri's backing. Wonder if giving Beattie a shot at the job would be an alternative, he knows Monks people, could be a cheaper alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 21 hours ago, parajack said: Well you got one 'like' which is 1 more than i would have expected..of course we have 12 games,because monk isnt going anywhere,stop panicking,and wait and see....its the only choice on the table.... Yes, I tend to use Colin as a yardstick because he kept Rotherham in the division, a club in a similar predicament to ourselves. I guess the task that faced Colinho is pretty much the same as that which faces Monk. But I agree that Monk isn't going anywhere soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 Well hopefully this thread won't need to be revisited after 10 pm tonight when we win and it can be consigned to the depths of the Owlstalk basement. 1 win in the last 14 at home. 8 without a win. Last time scored more than 1 at home, was 2 v Brentford, 7th December 19. Which was also the last time we won 2 games in a row home or away. So the omens mean a win tonight and by scoring more than 1 goal. Come on Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post S36 OWL Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 26th Feb was the last time we won at home in the league . That is utterly unacceptable and the buck stops with Monk. 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4evaowl Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Unacceptable. Must be the worst in the country and an embarrassment. Monk is a lucky man. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 And tomorrow will be the 12 month anniversary of the last time we lead at half time at Hillsborough... 2 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Needs time 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Does it really matter if we keep winning our away games? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night King Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 It’s a pathetic record but let’s not over react. We’ve made some good progress in The early season and got 3 huge games to focus on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, S36 OWL said: 26th Feb was the last time we won at home in the league . That is utterly unacceptable and the buck stops with Monk. Bottom line is when does he actually become responsible for this home record? Any other manager would be seriously under pressure now but for some reason this manager gets an easy ride. And before someone chucks in the points deduction, it’s not been in place all year plus we were getting some decent home results after the EFL charge was originally brought so you can’t blame all of it on this and that? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I wanted Monk gone at end of last season, but he wasn't going to be sacked. He's brought in his own players and his own staff so he's got no more excuses! He hasn't convinced me yet this season. While I think we've been better, I'm not convinced by the strikers he's signed. Like I said 3 more games, if we cant win those then he's definitely got to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alanharper Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 More than 10 months since we scored 2 goals in a home game, excluding wartime surely that's got to be a record? I just looked at the record for the infamous 1974-75 season and we've already "beaten" that record, we went 8 months then from December to August. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, jonnyowl said: I wanted Monk gone at end of last season, but he wasn't going to be sacked. He's brought in his own players and his own staff so he's got no more excuses! He hasn't convinced me yet this season. While I think we've been better, I'm not convinced by the strikers he's signed. Like I said 3 more games, if we cant win those then he's definitely got to go. Better than what though, the second half of last season? That’s not difficult, but it won’t be enough. Based on last season’s standings, we need a points total only achieved by clubs in the top half of the table. I don’t think he’s assembled a side that can achieve that, do you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Night King said: It’s a pathetic record but let’s not over react. We’ve made some good progress in The early season and got 3 huge games to focus on. But how many times have we heard this or similar. Its 1 step forward, 3 back. Edited October 21, 2020 by deano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Thing is away teams set up more defensive in the main, we just dont have the quality to break teams down. Monks huff and puff football just doesnt cut it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, gurujuan said: Better than what though, the second half of last season? That’s not difficult, but it won’t be enough. Based on last season’s standings, we need a points total only achieved by clubs in the top half of the table. I don’t think he’s assembled a side that can achieve that, do you? I think first 11 can be. Add Iorfa Luongo and Brown into that side and I think we take something tonight. Problem is a few injuries and replacements aren't good enough. Monk also wanted a fitter squad yet still getting injuries! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jim said: Bottom line is when does he actually become responsible for this home record? Any other manager would be seriously under pressure now but for some reason this manager gets an easy ride. And before someone chucks in the points deduction, it’s not been in place all year plus we were getting some decent home results after the EFL charge was originally brought so you can’t blame all of it on this and that? Spot on mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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