FARGATEOWL Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 As with everything SWFC I'm hoping for the best and expecting the worst. A bit like just before every kick off. At the end of the day Chansiri can do what he wants..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: LOOK AT THE DATE THAT WAS LAST NIGHT Jeeeeeeeesus errrm the local media broke the news last night? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding your point here, if you have one...other than your default position of *must not criticise local media or finance experts* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy Tail Owl Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 15 hours ago, Markowski77 said: Can someone explain in simpleton terms what’s going on were fuked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, mkowl said: But those defending them or believe every word uttered are equally not taken seriously - I would (and do) defend YOU when attacked unfairly It's not about what he did or didn't say - it's the fact that people immediately attacked him on here when in fact at the time they attacked him he'd not made one single post, tweet or statement anywhere I would defend ANYONE from that kind of unfair attack 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: I would (and do) defend YOU when attacked unfairly It's not about what he did or didn't say - it's the fact that people immediately attacked him on here when in fact at the time they attacked him he'd not made one single post, tweet or statement anywhere I would defend ANYONE from that kind of unfair attack stop attacking me then. It’s unfair!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: I would (and do) defend YOU when attacked unfairly It's not about what he did or didn't say - it's the fact that people immediately attacked him on here when in fact at the time they attacked him he'd not made one single post, tweet or statement anywhere I would defend ANYONE from that kind of unfair attack Well it was a tweet from someone who referenced his podcast - so half and half. I have my reasons for not liking him, a twitter exchange where I saw his true colours and his real character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, mkowl said: Well it was a tweet from someone who referenced his podcast - so half and half. No it's not 'half and half' He'd not posted or tweeted ANYTHING, ANYWHERE So no - he hadn't 'stirred the pot' or said/done ANYTHING And I'll defend someone for being unfairly attacked like that - including yourself Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, bigdan2003 said: stop attacking me then. It’s unfair!! Two points: 1) I am exempt from any rules as I'm a very very important person 2) Trevor Francis is exempt for being criticised too - he's fair game because he ruined our club 3) And Carlos 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: No it's not 'half and half' He'd not posted or tweeted ANYTHING, ANYWHERE So no - he hadn't 'stirred the pot' or said/done ANYTHING And I'll defend someone for being unfairly attacked like that - including yourself Fair enough I didn't say he had stirred the pot - I was more intrigued the background to the story which we are now seeing. Still don't like him and he has no actual expertise btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, mkowl said: Fair enough I didn't say he had stirred the pot No I know mate - it was aimed at those who jump in and attack pundits/journalists as a mob before checking their facts Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Two points: 1) I am exempt from any rules as I'm a very very important person 2) Trevor Francis is exempt for being criticised too - he's fair game because he ruined our club 3) And Carlos Fair point well made 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggyowl Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 If you do a little research the majority of clubs in Prem and Championship have some sort of mortgage/loan against their key assets Grounds/Training Facilities. Off the top of my head Leicester, West Ham, Tottenham, Pigs, Birmingham, Derby etc. Its a done thing. They have also secured against future TV revenue which is a real gamble if they get relegated. I'm not saying its right and I'm concerned on the structuring but its something everyone is up to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: No I know mate - it was aimed at those who jump in and attack pundits/journalists as a mob before checking their facts True - or to flip that round 100% believe a pundit / journalist without sense checking their facts or inherent bias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mkowl Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 minute ago, peggyowl said: If you do a little research the majority of clubs in Prem and Championship have some sort of mortgage/loan against their key assets Grounds/Training Facilities. Off the top of my head Leicester, West Ham, Tottenham, Pigs, Birmingham, Derby etc. Its a done thing. They have also secured against future TV revenue which is a real gamble if they get relegated. I'm not saying its right and I'm concerned on the structuring but its something everyone is up to. Our neighbours being a prime example on the TV revenue - not sure Radio Sheffield had a programme on that My fear is just that we have been there, worn the T shirt. And it nearly finished off the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binky Griptite Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Not read the whole thing but could it simply be the case that to satisfy the EFL over the ground sale there has to be a third party involved in the sale to legitimise it... this route is the most cost efficient for the Chairman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, peggyowl said: If you do a little research the majority of clubs in Prem and Championship have some sort of mortgage/loan against their key assets Grounds/Training Facilities. Off the top of my head Leicester, West Ham, Tottenham, Pigs, Birmingham, Derby etc. Its a done thing. They have also secured against future TV revenue which is a real gamble if they get relegated. I'm not saying its right and I'm concerned on the structuring but its something everyone is up to. Yep, some good points here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Old news, this all happened in 1987. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peggyowl Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, Royal_D said: Yep, some good points here When you dig further and there is a Guardian Article that sets it out a lot of debt is held by an Australian bank, Wolves are up to their necks as are others. As I said I'm worried and would like to understand how it all works and thanks to @mkowl as ever for his knowledge and explaining stuff us mere mortals haven't got a clue about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlBiSeeinThi Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 15 hours ago, room0035 said: But everyone keeps telling me he has loads of money but the p&s rule stop him from spending it. It looks more like he doesn't have that much money after all without the fans money. I thought it was more to do with revenue streams. One person is restricted in how much can be invested, but with multiple stakeholders they can each invest and amount . As I understood it that was where we fell foul in that DC was the sole shareholder and investor. I'm sure there was talk of DC getting his brother to invest it something to release investment money. I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Can someone confirm to me if Chansiri is legally allowed to raise Finance against a property that he does not own. As useless I have missed it somewhere DC has not paid the £60m to SWFC yet to buy the properties, until this happens the legal owner will not pass to DC new company so how can he then get a mortgage against a property he does not own the club SWFC do. I know there is a contract in place but if he has not physically paid money, or adhered to the terms of payment in the contract to the club then how can he mortgage against the asset. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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