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27 minutes ago, kilnhurstowl said:

Over the past year i have seen so many stats stating how bad we are,  from shots on target, to goals conceded,  even pass accuracy etc. 

My question is if these stats are accurate why does monk not see this and try to change it? 

I'm not a monk in our out guy , or even a shake it all about guy. 

But surely management have access to the same stats we have? 

So why not change things? 

Am I missing something? 

I find said stats meaningless,its like when 'possession' is quoted  image.png.70664b445404f5a0f5df77790842b831.png NO not that type!! The other type,means nothing does it? One quick boot upfield & BANG  your 1-0 down...same with 'pass accuracy' can be 100% correct but if said pass's are sideways or back to the keeper,its just something to hide behind...Interesting article in todays paper about Footballs current obsession with playing out from the back....DIRECT  is the way to go for me,especially in our current situation.

 

Just got to do it quicker,& better...defend from the front,by keeping your opponent defending their goal.Bombard them with cross'es,long throws,corners, & 'tricky' set pieces

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5 minutes ago, jonnyowl said:

Hypothetically, how long would you give him if things don't improve?

 

Because leave it too long and we'll end up adrift staring relegation in the face!

I agree with others around a dozen matches will give us an idea..but it depends what i see on the pitch.I want to see a plan coming together,and an improvement in both performances & results.

Frankly that may take more than one season.Why? because we still have 6 or 7 Players from last years failed Team having to play

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19 minutes ago, parajack said:

I agree with others around a dozen matches will give us an idea..but it depends what i see on the pitch.I want to see a plan coming together,and an improvement in both performances & results.

Frankly that may take more than one season.Why? because we still have 6 or 7 Players from last years failed Team having to play

So what of results don't come in those 12 games?

 

No guarantee of improvement.

 

If we are relegated would you still keep Monk?

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1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 


Carlos' holiday camp (that achieved NOTHING) is the very reason we are in the situation we're currently in this season

 

 

This lot aren't fit to lace Carlos' team boots!

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The manager and his coaches have a big job on.

The players have a big job on.

 

The OWNER has backed this group and he's stumping up for the project.

 

FFS give them time!!

 

It's a big rebuild that's hardly f*cking started. We're more than holding our own so far and the longer the group work together the better the outcomes will be imo..

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7 minutes ago, jonnyowl said:

This lot aren't fit to lace Carlos' team boots!


Agreed!


Makes you wonder why we're not very successful at the moment doesnt it?

 

See what happens when you investigate the footballing logic of the Monk haters and look into it a bit further than just 'I HATE MONK GET HIM SACKED' ??


 


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3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:


Agreed!


Makes you wonder why we're not very successful at the moment doesnt it?

 

See what happens when you investigate the footballing logic of the Monk haters and look into it a bit further than just 'I HATE MONK GET HIM SACKED' ??

For the record I don't hate Monk. Life's too short to hate people. Plus I've never met then guy! 

 

Just think he's a poor manager who I have 0% confidence in.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:


Agreed!


Makes you wonder why we're not very successful at the moment doesnt it?

 

See what happens when you investigate the footballing logic of the Monk haters and look into it a bit further than just 'I HATE MONK GET HIM SACKED' ??

 

I prefer to investigate Monk's record at Hillsbro mate, after all he is employed to get results, that is his JOB. But he ain't getting results. If someone is employed to do a job, and they don't they that job they get their P45. 

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Just now, S36 OWL said:

 

I prefer to investigate Monk's record at Hillsbro mate, after all he is employed to get results, that is his JOB. But he ain't getting results. If someone is employed to do a job, and they don't they that job they get their P45. 

 


Ah I wasn't aware that was your opinion mate - how come you've never shared this before with us?

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Just now, @owlstalk said:

 


Ah I wasn't aware that was your opinion mate - how come you've never shared this before with us?

Can I ask you something.

 

What would it take for you to want Monk gone?

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6 minutes ago, jonnyowl said:

Can I ask you something.

 

What would it take for you to want Monk gone?

 

 

My views are always irrelevant


I'm just an ordinary fan like everyone else 

It's not for ME to say I'm more important than Jesus or Noel Gallagher


That's not  for me to say


But let's just say my views are irrelevant

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13 hours ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said:

You work with the players at your disposal.

 

Would you encourage short goal kicks with a back three of Lees, van Aken and Iorfa (or Shaw / Palmer / Odubajo as we saw yesterday)?

 

It sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.


Understand that managers will tweak their style depending on players at their disposal. 
 

My original point was about how weird it was that Monk has progressed from being a possession based passing manager at Swansea to being such a good all manager now. 
 

We’re not just a bit more direct, he’s got an ideological commitment to route one. This analysis of the stats shows we were the second most direct team in the week Champs last season - https://theathletic.co.uk/1988826/2020/08/27/does-monkball-exist-how-do-wednesday-play-under-monk/ - only Cardiff, managed by Warnock & Harris last year FFS, were more direct than us. We’re the only team in the league who didn’t take one goal kick in the area ever under Monk. Why?
 

I think this ideological commitment to long ball isn’t getting the most out of our squad. I think Bannan/Luongo/Brown are a midfield who can play. I think DI and JVA are defenders who can bring it out. 

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Monk has been in charge for over a year. We were around the play-off places when he took over. Have we progressed?

We have gone backwards IMO. As for entertainment value, absolutely dire.

SG was sacked by DC because he said he didn't want to watch the style of football on offer then. He's very, very fortunate to still be in the job.

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4 hours ago, jonnyowl said:

So what of results don't come in those 12 games?

 

No guarantee of improvement.

 

If we are relegated would you still keep Monk?

Told you,i dont know...would depend on the factors i referenced...if i think its the manager being clueless,no i wouldn't keep him,ime a SWFC supporter,not a Monk supporter

If i see players from last year simply not good enough,or not doing what the manager says,than maybe no i wouldn't want to see him go.

Personally i dont think we will have a Jos situation...I think he results & performances,will come..

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3 hours ago, S36 OWL said:

 

I prefer to investigate Monk's record at Hillsbro mate, after all he is employed to get results, that is his JOB. But he ain't getting results. If someone is employed to do a job, and they don't they that job they get their P45. 

He is getting results,1 win and two draws out of 4 games + one loss to a side likely to win promotion is getting results..Together with turning over a team that last year were in the Premier league.and keeping a clean sheet against them...0-0..thats improvement..

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1 hour ago, beloved_aunt said:


Understand that managers will tweak their style depending on players at their disposal. 
 

My original point was about how weird it was that Monk has progressed from being a possession based passing manager at Swansea to being such a good all manager now. 
 

We’re not just a bit more direct, he’s got an ideological commitment to route one. This analysis of the stats shows we were the second most direct team in the week Champs last season - https://theathletic.co.uk/1988826/2020/08/27/does-monkball-exist-how-do-wednesday-play-under-monk/ - only Cardiff, managed by Warnock & Harris last year FFS, were more direct than us. We’re the only team in the league who didn’t take one goal kick in the area ever under Monk. Why?
 

I think this ideological commitment to long ball isn’t getting the most out of our squad. I think Bannan/Luongo/Brown are a midfield who can play. I think DI and JVA are defenders who can bring it out. 

Playing out from the back served Jos well didnt it? Its ideological nonsense,& Bruce by the way,was a fan of the long ball game...you just have to have the players to make it work.

Monk not quite there yet,maybe Patterson will be the player to join the dots...dont need sideways passes & passing back to the goalie

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12 minutes ago, parajack said:

Playing out from the back served Jos well didnt it? Its ideological nonsense,& Bruce by the way,was a fan of the long ball game...you just have to have the players to make it work.

Monk not quite there yet,maybe Patterson will be the player to join the dots...dont need sideways passes & passing back to the goalie


I’m not demanding Tiki-Taka. Just trying to highlight how unusual our style is. It’s as extreme and ideological as the managers who pass out no matter what. And I don’t think it gets the best out of our squad. 
 

I want something in between. 

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4 hours ago, Costello 77 said:

The manager and his coaches have a big job on.

The players have a big job on.

 

The OWNER has backed this group and he's stumping up for the project.

 

FFS give them time!!

 

It's a big rebuild that's hardly f*cking started. We're more than holding our own so far and the longer the group work together the better the outcomes will be imo..

My concern is that we’re entrusting someone with a major rebuild who hasn’t ever done a rebuild before. He usually gets sacked before the roof goes on 

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We were seconds away from

picking up 7 points from twelve which would’ve had us on a total better than the -6 I thought we needed going into the international break. We’re on -7.

 

That just about sums up Monk’s time here so far. We show some signs of improvement or something or other but we always seem to come up short. And that’s what happens when you play the percentages rather than giving it a real go at the opposition and leaving everything on the pitch win, lose or draw.

 

I noticed a post referring to Stuart Gray’s time in charge and DC’s decision

to let him go. As solid as were under Gray, our home form certainly from a goalscoring perspective mirrors Monk’s home record now. You have to wonder why he’s still in this job? Is it the points deduction? the pandemic?

 

I don’t want to see him fail contrary to what some might think on here. I want to him to succeed at least in keeping us up this season. But do I feel he will go on to achieve DC’s stated aim of promotion to the premier league? No I don’t. When fans do return to S6, the crowds eventually will show a decrease as no one will want to pay the prices to watch Monk’s style of football. 

 

Some will put up with it, if we’re getting good results but the plain fact is, we aren’t. Whoever comes in after Monk will have a harder job than the one Monk

originally had IMO?

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