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9 minutes ago, Nero said:

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The first pic shows where the real problem is, Pelupessy is way off his man allowing too much time.

Van Akin has a decent position at this point.

Second pic shows how JVA gets caught under ball. Dawson alo poorly positioned and the ball actually goes alost in the centre of the goal.

Great cross and header but way too much time. Pelupessy has one job.....

The 1st picture in my opinion shows everything we got wrong. No urgency to close down the cross (Pelupessy) so the QPR player has as much time as he wants to measure the ideal delivery. Bonne is already pulling round the back of Van Aken who showed no desire whatsoever to stay with him. Dawson’s starting position should be nearer the six yard line in anticipation of the cross. For gods sake we have 6 players strung along the back line and 9 in the picture no way should we be conceding from a ball delivered from that angle. No one sniffs the danger and shows any determination to do anything about it. 

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6 minutes ago, SiJ said:

Of all the people getting blame for that goal, I'd put Dawson right at the bottom.

 

I'd be attaching more blame to the failure to stop the cross and no one marking the goalscorer. 

At that photo point Sig, who is the nearest to where the cross becomes a head able height. DAWSON 

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8 minutes ago, Nero said:

The point is, in the 96th minute 30 yards from our goal, he had time to make a perfectly weighted cross.

Down to 10 men and the best defender of the game being the man missing but dont let facts get in the way 

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Said it in another thread, for me it comes down the way we play when trying to defend a lead. 
 

Why aren’t we trying to keep hold of the ball, maintain possession and they can’t score. There was plenty of space to knock the ball around, they were tired they’re not going to keep chasing us. 
 

Why is luongo still charging forward in the last 5-10 minutes almost making it an attacking 3?

 

Why is Bannan trying to thread fancy through balls to the forwards that didn’t come off? Cheaply giving possession away. Why are we in such a rush to press forward? Just frustrate them and see the game out 

 

Bemoan the defence and keeper all day if you want but sometimes it just shouldn’t come down to this. We should be seeing games out much differently. 

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There’s no way a keeper can claim a centre coming in from that angle.

I wouldn’t even blame Van Aken for being wrong side of his man because we were playing with only one centre back by then.
 

But yes our midfield should have closed down on the man launching  the centre.

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4 minutes ago, Blatter said:

There’s no way a keeper can claim a centre coming in from that angle.

I wouldn’t even blame Van Aken for being wrong side of his man because we were playing with only one centre back by then.
 

But yes our midfield should have closed down on the man launching  the centre.

When that cross leaves the players foot Dawson is the nearest to where Bonne heads it, the very fact we are a central defender down makes it more imperative that Dawson deals with the situation. 

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25 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said:

Apparently the shorter Wildsmith would have been a better bet 

 

Where theres blame theres a claim where theres a goal the doom mongers have to stick it to someone usually Cameron Dawson make me want to puke sometimes 

If there is blame, could we also not attach it to the referee, who despite being right royally messed about by QPR at the start of each half, bottled making a decision when Patterson was clear of the last man (when he had no reason to go down) and suddenly found injury time on top of injury time. 

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1 minute ago, s63owl said:

If there is blame, could we also not attach it to the referee, who despite being right royally messed about by QPR at the start of each half, bottled making a decision when Patterson was clear of the last man (when he had no reason to go down) and suddenly found injury time on top of injury time. 


A MINIMUM of 5 minutes...and there were stoppages during that 5 mins

 

Come on Garry, you know that

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24 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said:

Can't just be a good ball in and a decent header with our best defender of the game off the park it has be someones fault and Dawson is just the usual target 

Absolutely spot on, some on here just love to blame Dawson for everything. We lost 1 centre half before the game, 2 in the game. 10 men at the end.

It was a good cross and a good header. 
 

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Being a man down The midfield 3 have to work together to shift across to close players down. Pelupessy and Bannan aren’t much use in the penalty box as they are both midgets.

 

Keep them out of the area and if that leaves us a man short inside the box then that’s the risk you take when you’re a man down. Players given time and space to cross a ball will eventually find their man.
 

 

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18 minutes ago, Miffed said:

Said it in another thread, for me it comes down the way we play when trying to defend a lead. 
 

Why aren’t we trying to keep hold of the ball, maintain possession and they can’t score. There was plenty of space to knock the ball around, they were tired they’re not going to keep chasing us. 
 

Why is luongo still charging forward in the last 5-10 minutes almost making it an attacking 3?

 

Why is Bannan trying to thread fancy through balls to the forwards that didn’t come off? Cheaply giving possession away. Why are we in such a rush to press forward? Just frustrate them and see the game out 

 

Bemoan the defence and keeper all day if you want but sometimes it just shouldn’t come down to this. We should be seeing games out much differently. 

This point exactly. Yes the defence get caught out as we are again defending far too deep giving the opposition too much time on the ball in our half but with a minute of added time left we had the ball out on the left wing, Windass ayed into Bannan who instead of playing to feet plays it over the top back to Windass who'd run offside. Hadwe have just kept it simple, kept possessionand run the clock down it would have been 3 points instead of 1

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Went wrong when we lost 4 centre backs, When Lees got injured the first time, that added a couple of minutes on, the biggest blow was when he went into that tackle at the end and had to limp off. If that didnt happen the game was over. but we then had to defend another added minute, the cross came in where Lees would have been. Van Aken fully at fault. 

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1 hour ago, Junglejay said:

I’m not his biggest fan but anyone suggesting that Dawson should have claimed that cross is living on another planet. 

There was plenty of time for him to watch the ball and get to it at the same before  their foward got his head to it. 

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1 hour ago, Jim said:

 

It’s one of Monk’s managerial strengths that he keeps using Pelupessy 🤬

 


Oh look

Jim's come into a discussion about how things played out on the pitch in a situation and (amazingly) has tried to turn THIS thread into a Monk Hating thread too


How predictable

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1 hour ago, George said:


If he had come and not got it he would be slated just the same and I don’t think he would have got it. 
 

The guy was given far too much time to put a perfect hanging cross in and then the defenders failed to attack it.

 

 

Isn't the goalie classified as a defender. 

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I agree that the cross should've been closed down much better. The time he had on the ball to pick out a man was scandalous. You don't have to defend a cross if it's blocked in the first place. A bit sh*t all round.

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53 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said:

Can't just be a good ball in and a decent header with our best defender of the game off the park it has be someones fault and Dawson is just the usual target 

It was a good ball which should never have to that far anyway. Dawson was flat footed but had plenty of time to judge where the ball was going and intercept it. 

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