This system

[oldishowl]

I don’t think the system is necessarily the real reason, we have tried all sorts, but the key thing is we need to show more composure on the ball and play a bit more football.

 

Simply hurtling around and getting rid of the ball asap just doesn’t create chances and is a nightmare for our strikers. They never get a decent pass.

First half yesterday Bannan, who still dictates the way we play was just getting rid of it, first 20 mins second half we started passing it and created a goal.

 

I would probably go 433 , sacrifice Paterson as the central striker, play Windass as a wide striker or in place of Brown if he’s injured.

 

 

 

 

[gurujuan]

15 minutes ago, oldishowl said:

I don’t think the system is necessarily the real reason, we have tried all sorts, but the key thing is we need to show more composure on the ball and play a bit more football.

 

Simply hurtling around and getting rid of the ball asap just doesn’t create chances and is a nightmare for our strikers. They never get a decent pass.

First half yesterday Bannan, who still dictates the way we play was just getting rid of it, first 20 mins second half we started passing it and created a goal.

 

I would probably go 433 , sacrifice Paterson as the central striker, play Windass as a wide striker or in place of Brown if he’s injured.

 

 

 

 

That would be my preference, and play through the midfield more. We have one of the best midfields in the division and yet their sole function is to funnel the ball out wide, when they are capable of so much more. As the games have gone on, I’ve noticed we seem to be using Brown in a sort of forward defensive role. There’s nothing wrong with pressing your opponents high up the pitch, but to have him shadowing his man wherever he goes is a bit of a waste. We need him on the ball, trying to unlock our opponents defence. He is an excellent passer of the ball, utilise that. 
Having three up front, providing the movement is good, should give the midfield different avenues of attack, instead of constantly looking to get it out wide, before taking the aerial route

[Holmowl]

You also need to take into account that we’ve spent the transfer window shopping for 352.

 

Look at 451, 442, 433 and then put names in the frames. It’s not pretty.

[gurujuan]

10 minutes ago, Holmowl said:

You also need to take into account that we’ve spent the transfer window shopping for 352.

 

Look at 451, 442, 433 and then put names in the frames. It’s not pretty.

Have we though, as far as I can see, we’ve not really brought in anybody who would make the system work better. Both midfielders would be happy, as long as they were playing in a three, Dunkley has spent the majority of his career playing in a back four, and the three forwards we’ve signed, well there’s an argument that they’d be all operating in a three, rather than trying to find a pair amongst them. Had we been signing wing backs, and looking for a pair of strikers who could form a good link up, then I’d agree

[Holmowl]

1 minute ago, gurujuan said:

Have we though, as far as I can see, we’ve not really brought in anybody who would make the system work better. Both midfielders would be happy, as long as they were playing in a three, Dunkley has spent the majority of his career playing in a back four, and the three forwards we’ve signed, well there’s an argument that they’d be all operating in a three, rather than trying to find a pair amongst them. Had we been signing wing backs, and looking for a pair of strikers who could form a good link up, then I’d agree

Try it.

 

Put the names down. We’ll see.

 

Who’s your left back?

 

Who’s your right back for that matter?

 

Who are fit enough and good enough to play in a central mid pair?
 

or

 

Who is good enough to play lone-striker?

 

Im not saying it can’t work, but I am firmly convinced we bought and loaned to suit 352.

[gurujuan]

1 minute ago, Holmowl said:

Try it.

 

Put the names down. We’ll see.

 

Who’s your left back?

 

Who’s your right back for that matter?

 

Who are fit enough and good enough to play in a central mid pair?
 

or

 

Who is good enough to play lone-striker?

 

Im not saying it can’t work, but I am firmly convinced we bought and loaned to suit 352.

But yet ignored the key positions to make that system work

[Holmowl]

5 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

But yet ignored the key positions to make that system work

I disagree.

 

He’s filled all those key positions, but with too many average players, rather than a lesser number of hand-picked quality.

Edited October 4, 2020 by Holmowl

[gurujuan]

1 minute ago, Holmowl said:

I disagree.

 

He’s filled all those key positions, but with too many average players, rather than a lesser number of hand-picked quality.

Which positions has he filled? The midfield stays the same, whether he plays this system or 4-3-3 

What his system needs to make it work, are good quality wing backs, and a couple of strikers that mesh together to form a lively pairing He hasn’t signed any who fit that bill

[alanharper]

3 hours ago, airborne_rat_of_s6 said:

This^^^
First half was awful. Don’t think we made more than two passes before it was back with QPR. Like back to the worst days of players being scared of taking a touch. Start of the second half was noticeably better as we played it on the deck more. That faded towards the end.

 

We just don't pass the ball well enough. Our completed pass percentage yesterday was 65% which of the 20 Championship teams to play so far this weekend was the 17th worse, only Boro, Rotherham and Wycombe had a worse rate than us. Last week we only had 66%. Too many aimless long balls? 

[0wl18]

44 minutes ago, Holmowl said:

You also need to take into account that we’ve spent the transfer window shopping for 352.

 

Look at 451, 442, 433 and then put names in the frames. It’s not pretty.

You’ve got that one horribly wrong. Our squad is far more suited to a four at the back system. We’ve current got 2 wingers playing wing back which leaves us exposed. We still only have 1 out and out striker which means the likes of Kachunga, Reach, Patterson and Windass are all playing as part of a 2 when, they’re predominantly wide men or, number 10’s. 

[0wl18]

19 minutes ago, gurujuan said:

Which positions has he filled? The midfield stays the same, whether he plays this system or 4-3-3 

What his system needs to make it work, are good quality wing backs, and a couple of strikers that mesh together to form a lively pairing He hasn’t signed any who fit that bill

Wing backs are key to a 3-5-2 formation. It’s a specialist position and, there aren’t many who really excel at the role at this level. 
 

The reason Morgan Fox got pelters was because the wingers left him exposed. The same 2 wingers started the game at wing back yesterday. They’re now solely responsible for the defensive phase of play down their wing. They’re not capable, which isn’t their fault. They’re playing out of position like 50% of the squad.

[York_Owl]

Bottom line is players win matches not formations to quote Megson.

 

Im ok with the fact that we finally have a plan that could work rather than the out dated 4-4-2 which was never really going to work for us.

 

it is still very much a work in progress. 
 

Reach playing at left wing back could be a real positive if he recaptures his form of previous seasons.

 

Iorfa was a big loss at right centre back. We haven’t really got the squad yet to adequately cope with that especially when the lad that comes in to replace him gets injured straight away. That’s just a bit of bad luck.

 

izzy Brown is also a big loss. That midfield three of him, Bannan and Luongo is key for us.

 

Murphy has been a big loss to us at right wing back. He was arguably our best player towards the back end of last season.

 

And we still need that mobile striker up front. The player that Joao was supposed to be and now, ironically, is just not with us!

[0wl18]

39 minutes ago, Holmowl said:

Try it.

 

Put the names down. We’ll see.

 

Who’s your left back?

 

Who’s your right back for that matter?

 

Who are fit enough and good enough to play in a central mid pair?
 

or

 

Who is good enough to play lone-striker?

 

Im not saying it can’t work, but I am firmly convinced we bought and loaned to suit 352.

LB is a problem. But so it LWB. We have Penney, Reach and Borner to cover the left side. 
 

Palmer, Odubajo and Iorfa can play right back.

 

Luongo, Bannan, Dele, Pelupessy, Brown, Windass (can cover wide positions as well) would play centrally.

 

If our strikers aren’t good enough to play as a lone striker, what makes them good enough to play in a 2? We have 1 out and out striker on the books in Rhodes. The rest are ‘forwards’ they can play across the forward line but, have predominantly played wide, or in a supporting striker role.

 

We certainly haven’t recruited for a 3-5-2 formation. If we had, we wouldn’t need to play Palmer at centre back. We’d also have 2 proper winger backs, no wingers asked to fill in. 

 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Holmowl said:

Try it.

 

Put the names down. We’ll see.

 

Who’s your left back?

 

Who’s your right back for that matter?

 

Who are fit enough and good enough to play in a central mid pair?
 

or

 

Who is good enough to play lone-striker?

 

Im not saying it can’t work, but I am firmly convinced we bought and loaned to suit 352.

 

We undoubtedly bought to play 3-5-2 but you have to be adaptable.

Yesterday Monk chose to play a young defensive midfielder at CB to keep the back 3 shape. Shaw has developed in the youth teams as a defensive midfielder and was picked to play midfield towards the back end of last season by Monk but we don't currently have enough CB's to cover so he uses him as a CB instead. He has been playing young Brennan and Borner in cup games, both have looked a little shaky in those games but the only goals we conceded came against PL opposition.

We play a system with 3 CB's but pick a defensive midfielder to start at CB and have no CB's to cover on the bench. Instead of changing the system we bring on full-backs to continue playing at CB.

 

We have a winger playing as a wing-back because he has a good engine and works hard. We have no proper striker but keep aiming the ball forward in search of a Fletcher type player that is not part of a squad. We then swap our Wing-backs around to counter the possible threat of the opposition even though Reach was the most productive player on the pitch at that time on his best side.

 

It's great to watch! 

 

[McRightSide]

1 hour ago, Holmowl said:

Try it.

 

Put the names down. We’ll see.

 

Who’s your left back?

 

Who’s your right back for that matter?

 

Who are fit enough and good enough to play in a central mid pair?
 

or

 

Who is good enough to play lone-striker?

 

Im not saying it can’t work, but I am firmly convinced we bought and loaned to suit 352.

Dawson

 

Palmer

Iorfa

Lees

Harris

 

Odubajo

Brown

Bannan

Reach

 

Windass

Paterson

 

Thats about the best I can come up with

[Holmowl]

2 minutes ago, McRightSide said:

Dawson

 

Palmer

Iorfa

Lees

Harris

 

Odubajo

Brown

Bannan

Reach

 

Windass

Paterson

 

Thats about the best I can come up with

And what do you think of it?

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, 0wl18 said:

LB is a problem. But so it LWB. We have Penney, Reach and Borner to cover the left side. 
 

Palmer, Odubajo and Iorfa can play right back.

 

Luongo, Bannan, Dele, Pelupessy, Brown, Windass (can cover wide positions as well) would play centrally.

 

If our strikers aren’t good enough to play as a lone striker, what makes them good enough to play in a 2? We have 1 out and out striker on the books in Rhodes. The rest are ‘forwards’ they can play across the forward line but, have predominantly played wide, or in a supporting striker role.

 

We certainly haven’t recruited for a 3-5-2 formation. If we had, we wouldn’t need to play Palmer at centre back. We’d also have 2 proper winger backs, no wingers asked to fill in. 

 

 

 

 

We recruited Dunkley to play alongside Iorfa and Lees. Monk went to this system in June and is continuing with it now, if we hadn't recruited to play this way then we would surely not keep trying to play it with square pegs in round holes. He love playing Harris at WB. It makes him less of a threat but he tracks back. He continued to play it yesterday and played a midfielder, a right-back and a right-wing back at CB during the course of the game. 

 

Edited October 4, 2020 by Guest

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, McRightSide said:

Dawson

 

Palmer

Iorfa

Lees

Harris

 

Odubajo

Brown

Bannan

Reach

 

Windass

Paterson

 

Thats about the best I can come up with

 

Good luck winning the ball back and retaining possession with that midfield! 

[gurujuan]

We are struggling to win games using this system, how many players do we need to buy to make it work? Now we’ve introduced it for the U23s and the U18s, now they can’t win a game either

[McRightSide]

9 minutes ago, Holmowl said:

And what do you think of it?

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