sonofbert2 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I look back to the preseason game against Mansfield when it kicked off between Jos and Westwood and then FF got involved in something he shouldn’t have which, rightly or wrongly, resulted in a lengthy ban. Some folk comparing these players to the likes of Cantona, Beckham, Rooney etc is laughable. If they were all so fuckingbrilliant both Hutchinson and FF wouldn’t have missed their penalties v Huddersfield and Westwood would have saved at least one. Koi carp in a garden pond the lot of ‘em. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: He's made MILLIONS, fell out with numerous managers, refused to pick up his own water bottle and towel, got 'injured' repeatedly with his latest shoulder injury lasting longer than many Wednesday manager's careers, seems to find a reason or injury to not sit on the bench when asked to, and now sits at home not fighting for his place in the first team, just sitting taking massive massive wages from us at a time when we could use that money to bring in players to help us not get relegated. And that's just the stuff that's out in the public knowledge So you can respect him if you want I want him out of our club ASAP I support Sheffield Wednesday FootbalL Club NOT Kieran Westwood or 'westy' as his lovers like to call him Numerous generally means more than 2. I enjoyed watching him play more than I've enjoyed Garry Monk's 'management" style. I think they're both better off outside the club tbh but we're stuck with them both sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonstrix Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, rickygoo said: You see that's the thing. There's no in between. No grey areas. You're either pro Monk or pro Westwood when in reality they're both probably a bit tosserish. Well, so far the only evidence seems to be that 'Westy' might be. I was watching that Leeds scum documentary and some of their players spoke very highly of Monk. I wonder if that’s why some hate him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Willow Owl said: I am sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: Koi carp in a garden pond the lot of ‘em. Sadly you could say that about most Wednesday players since the late 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: Why have just taken those 2 words from my post ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Willow Owl said: Why have just taken those 2 words from my post ? Because it amused me. I find the certainty funny. Unless you actually know something then you're speculating. Anyway it was three words to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: If they were all so fuckingbrilliant both Hutchinson and FF wouldn’t have missed their penalties v Huddersfield You're right good players never miss penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: Because it amused me. I find the certainty funny. Unless you actually know something then you're speculating. Anyway it was three words to be fair. Take off the Westwood specs Ricky. You cannot give any reasonable explanation as to why he’s been banished from the first team. If he was the model professional then why is with the under 23’s. I believe that’s only recently as well, I may be wrong. sorry three words, pressed wrong bloody number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 17 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: I look back to the preseason game against Mansfield when it kicked off between Jos and Westwood and then FF got involved in something he shouldn’t have which, rightly or wrongly, resulted in a lengthy ban. Some folk comparing these players to the likes of Cantona, Beckham, Rooney etc is laughable. If they were all so fuckingbrilliant both Hutchinson and FF wouldn’t have missed their penalties v Huddersfield and Westwood would have saved at least one. Koi carp in a garden pond the lot of ‘em. Westwood did save one didn't he? If a top striker and regular penalty taker at this level had put himself up to take one instead of leaving it to a defensive midfielder......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Willow Owl said: Take off the Westwood specs Ricky. You cannot give any reasonable explanation as to why he’s been banished from the first team. If he was the model professional then why is with the under 23’s. I believe that’s only recently as well, I may be wrong. sorry three words, pressed wrong bloody number. Monk banished a few regulars at Middlesbrough who were quickly recalled when Monk was sacked. Always two sides to a story. Yes there's no point pining for him to be back in our side now and it makes financial sense to get him out but it doesn't necessarily mean that whatever has happened was completely his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Willow Owl said: Take off the Westwood specs Ricky. You cannot give any reasonable explanation as to why he’s been banished from the first team. If he was the model professional then why is with the under 23’s. I believe that’s only recently as well, I may be wrong. sorry three words, pressed wrong bloody number. I don't have Westwood specs on. I like what he's done for us over the years and think the slagging is a bit unseemly - especially when the two managers he's fallen out with are broadly know nowts compared with the blokes who respected him - i.e. Gray and Bruce. It doesn't all have to be one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, hirstyboywonder said: Westwood did save one didn't he? If a top striker and regular penalty taker at this level had put himself up to take one instead of leaving it to a defensive midfielder......... Players miss penalties -Waddle, Pearce, Baggio etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HillsboroughOwlNI Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 So 18 pages now... Anything actually happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, HillsboroughOwlNI said: So 18 pages now... Anything actually happening? Westwood is raking in millions. Monk still has the monk on. Haters are gonna hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, HillsboroughOwlNI said: So 18 pages now... Anything actually happening? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Owl Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, rickygoo said: I don't have Westwood specs on. I like what he's done for us over the years and think the slagging is a bit unseemly - especially when the two managers he's fallen out with are broadly know nowts compared with the blokes who respected him - i.e. Gray and Bruce. It doesn't all have to be one way. But yet you will side with Westwood over the 2 Managers and openly slag them down. Both managers that have achieved more in the game than Gray ever has. He will have played for Gray as he gave him the chance to resurrect a failing career and was number one ( rightly so) and was never dropped. He probably promised Bruce the world to obtain a 2 year deal and look where that’s got us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Willow Owl said: Take off the Westwood specs Ricky. You cannot give any reasonable explanation as to why he’s been banished from the first team. If he was the model professional then why is with the under 23’s. I believe that’s only recently as well, I may be wrong. sorry three words, pressed wrong bloody number. One reasonable explanation could be they've fallen out after Westwood got dropped. Monk got the monk on and decided Westwood wasn't going to play again - there's only one winner when that happens. The club has to back the manager because otherwise anarchy ensues especially as Westwood is no Maradona and we have reasonable replacements - so Westwood gets frozen out. Seems reasonable to me. Am I sure - nope? Do I think it probably happened like that? No idea - it's as plausible as any other version. All speculation. Monk has a history of falling out with people just as Westwood does. Ask the chairmen he's worked for. Ask the ex-Birmingham manager. In the end I don't actually care. I have warm memories of Westwood and will keep them until actual facts make me change my mind. Snidey comments are just that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Willow Owl said: He probably promised Bruce the world to obtain a 2 year deal and look where that’s got us. Really?! What like a marriage proposal? Now you're being silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Willow Owl said: But yet you will side with Westwood over the 2 Managers and openly slag them down. Both managers that have achieved more in the game than Gray ever has. He will have played for Gray as he gave him the chance to resurrect a failing career and was number one ( rightly so) and was never dropped. He probably promised Bruce the world to obtain a 2 year deal and look where that’s got us. I'm actually not siding with him really - despite a bit of fun on here. If I had to stick my neck out I'd say they're all as bad as each other. I'm counteracting the certainty emanating from all the anti-Westwood speculation. I would though say Jos is one of the worst managers we've ever had and Monk is heading that way if he continues last season's trajectory. But I'm not sure of Monk's status - how could I be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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