tomhollywood Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: People start off well/get lucky and then make mistakes that you can't pin on any one else. Monk probably wasn't unlucky in the 2nd half of last season - he was just a bit poo. Yeah I agree to some extent. I'm not bothered about Westwood being dropped to be honest as I thought his form was patchy and he was perhaps too comfortable. Monk - I think he made some odd decisions last year which cost us points on a few occasions. In fairness to him though, he came to a club with a lot of stuff going on and with none of his backroom staff. He got us through the season and we stayed up. I'm happy to back him though as to me, this season is a fresh start. He has staff, our recruitment looks different, we seem to have a plan so good luck to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl91 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: "He's the best keeper in the Championship" they cry If that's true where are all the clubs that would want to sign him? Maybe even a lower premier league club would show interest in the 'best keeper in the championship' and could afford his wages SO WHERE ARE ALL THESE CLUBS TO BUY THE 'BEST KEEPER IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP' ? In all seriousness how many in the Championship can afford his wages? He's not Premier League standard, that potential option long since sailed. So add in FFP and the current revenue hit from Covid, who's going to go for him? So, Bournemouth (Begovic), Watford (Foster), Stoke (Butland and even hes been dropped), Norwich (Krul), lets be honest he now doesn't get near any them. Any other club is entirely reliant on DC accepting to pay a decent % of his wages. Even then you're reliant on things like - would he want to leave his family or uproot his family for a season? Probably not. Really limited option pool, so for those reasons i really would be surprised if he goes anywhere unless DC accepts we're paying over half his wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, tomhollywood said: Yeah I agree to some extent. I'm not bothered about Westwood being dropped to be honest as I thought his form was patchy and he was perhaps too comfortable. Monk - I think he made some odd decisions last year which cost us points on a few occasions. In fairness to him though, he came to a club with a lot of stuff going on and with none of his backroom staff. He got us through the season and we stayed up. I'm happy to back him though as to me, this season is a fresh start. He has staff, our recruitment looks different, we seem to have a plan so good luck to him. I'd go halfway towards this. I have no confidence in him at all but think he deserves longer with his own players, staff etc - I think we'll get relegated but the 12 point deduction is someone else's fault not his. If we're showing progress given the circumstances he's under that'll do for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhollywood Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: So then it can be argued that Monk has been put at a level where he is not effective at as surely one of the main roles of the manage is to handle people that are disruptive. If you have parts of your workforce that you need to freeze out surely this doesn't look good as a manager? It's not about looking good or being liked, it's about getting the job done. If there is someone causing an issue and making life harder then it just makes sense to remove the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Turpin Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: I'd go halfway towards this. I have no confidence in him at all but think he deserves longer with his own players, staff etc - I think we'll get relegated but the 12 point deduction is someone else's fault not his. If we're showing progress given the circumstances he's under that'll do for me. But I haven't watched any of the games this season - can't be arsed tbh - so I can't comment on the early signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhollywood Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: I'd go halfway towards this. I have no confidence in him at all but think he deserves longer with his own players, staff etc - I think we'll get relegated but the 12 point deduction is someone else's fault not his. If we're showing progress given the circumstances he's under that'll do for me. Yeah agreed. Was going to post about the points myself - that's something he inherited so will be viewed as part of his tenure here but it's not really his fault. If we progress under him and look like we have a plan (recruitment suggests we do) and start to build a style and maybe a way of operating as a club, that's more important in the bigger picture for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) I wish our journalists could get to the bottom of what the issue is with Westwood @crannman @domSWFC @indiana @ANDY @Adam88 @sethman75 Edited October 2, 2020 by Ellis Rimmer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhollywood Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, rickygoo said: But I haven't watched any of the games this season - can't be arsed tbh - so I can't comment on the early signs. Look at the extended highlights on youtube if you haven't already. They'll give you a little bit of clue. We're looking a bit better than last season, early days though. I think tomorrow is a big game in terms of response and how much progress we've made in that area compared to last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, tomhollywood said: It's not about looking good or being liked, it's about getting the job done. If there is someone causing an issue and making life harder then it just makes sense to remove the problem. the point is that he has only gone backwards since identifying these problematic characters so the question is whether they really were as problematic as imagined our did we gain a net benefit from them regardless of what such two hats they were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I wish our journalists could get to the bottom of what the issue is with Westwood @crannman @domSWFC @indiana @ANDY @Adam88 @sethman75 As always when anything happens at a club the journalists know what has gone off (they'll have heard it from other players, agents, quiet conversations behind the scenes) Whether they can/will/dare to publish is another thing entirely 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, WhiteOwl91 said: In all seriousness how many in the Championship can afford his wages? He's not Premier League standard, that potential option long since sailed. So add in FFP and the current revenue hit from Covid, who's going to go for him? Hang on??? Aren't we constantly told that you just have to spend your way out of this league and to promotion to the Premier League? Aren't we always told to look at the clubs who have spent MASSIVE amounts of cash to get promoted to the Premier League? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: As always when anything happens at a club the journalists know what has gone off (they'll have heard it from other players, agents, quiet conversations behind the scenes) Whether they can/will/dare to publish is another thing entirely they don't need to publish anything they just need to PM us with the answers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteOwl91 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Hang on??? Aren't we constantly told that you just have to spend your way out of this league and to promotion to the Premier League? Aren't we always told to look at the clubs who have spent MASSIVE amounts of cash to get promoted to the Premier League? A lot of previous seasons i'd agree with clubs spending ££££, i think this year the landscape has changed (in general, with some exceptions). That being said, a 29-32 year old Westwood on his wages might still have be attractive to a club. At 35, with his injury record, lack of recent game time and his performances before he got dropped...i personally think the value for his wages has long since gone and a club isn't going to take that gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Ellis Rimmer said: they don't need to publish anything they just need to PM us with the answers Why on earth would they do THAT? The first time they did it someone would post it saying 'John Smith at the Sheffield Star told me' Your logic in this thread is extremely flawed Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, WhiteOwl91 said: A lot of previous seasons i'd agree with clubs spending ££££, i think this year the landscape has changed (in general, with some exceptions). That being said, a 29-32 year old Westwood on his wages might still have be attractive to a club. At 35, with his injury record, lack of recent game time and his performances before he got dropped...i personally think the value for his wages has long since gone and a club isn't going to take that gamble. But we're told he's a game changing keeper who can get you results just by putting him straight back into the starting lineup (regardless of anything else that has gone off) Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Why on earth would they do THAT? The first time they did it someone would post it saying 'John Smith at the Sheffield Star told me' Your logic in this thread is extremely flawed They could just PM you as you're a trusted member of the site, I don't think you've ever been banned or had any warning points. You could then tell us what has happened without revealing which one of the journos did it. Edited October 2, 2020 by Ellis Rimmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I see 10 new pages of activity and get excited at thought he’s finally off.... ah well! Just a three year old debate going strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: They could just PM you as you're a trusted member of the site I don't want them to I've no need for that at all Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: I don't want them to I've no need for that at all I'll do it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: I'll do it then You're off your rocker Good luck with that I'm sure you're going to be trusted with inside sensitive info 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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