Owl14 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 8 hours ago, Nut said: Can never understand why they do this just before kick off and at half time. The foundations of the pitch are made of sand Underneath the topsoil so they have to keep it wet before play so that it doesn’t just break up when the players studs go in it. Normally the home coaches can ask for the pitch to be wetter to suit their play more, I know Carlos did this as he liked the ball to fizz across the surface at higher speed with less resistance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Owl14 said: The foundations of the pitch are made of sand Underneath the topsoil so they have to keep it wet before play so that it doesn’t just break up when the players studs go in it. Normally the home coaches can ask for the pitch to be wetter to suit their play more, I know Carlos did this as he liked the ball to fizz across the surface at higher speed with less resistance Apparently Monk has asked to move to a higher altitude so the air is thinner and you can kick it Higher and further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Too much of the wet stuff being sprayed on it. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomo2001 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 12 hours ago, Marro said: Some good old Patrik football boots with those long metal studs should do the trick! Keegan Tops ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latemodelchild Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) Football boots come with 3 different outsoles. Soft ground (SG) Firm ground (FG) and all ground (AG) Plus astro turf (TF) but they never use those obviously. The ones people refer to as 'blades' don't actually exist anymore as they're banned. It was an idea in the 80s/90s that a blade shaped, elongated pyramid shaped stud would allow for better turning, reduce twisting injuries and increase forward speed. Theoretically it does but the downside is they're far more dangerous to an opponent, as seen by the injuries sustained that led to their ban. FG is what we used to call moulded, SG is a traditional screw in metal/nylon or hybrid stud. A lot of the SG boots have moulded studs between the screw in studs, generally positioned to allow the boot to come out of the ground during twisting to try and negate the old studs stuck in the turf injuries. AG does what it says on the tin and is a halfway house between the 2. Rarely seen at the moment as its neither fish nor fowl as they say. Plus players have sponsorships that provide any style they want, no need to economise for these lads. Most players on the pitch yesterday would have had FG or short studded SG boots on. With the pitch being a desso there could be a directive that long studs can't or shouldn't be worn. It's a fine line between having a boot that will grip and a boot that doesn't and its down to the surface. FG studs have a smaller surface are per stud than SG generally, therefore penetrate firm ground better. SG studs are needed when the ground is softer because even though both types will penetrate, SG penetrate deeper (ooh matron) FG on soft ground just skates over the top, SG on firm ground just skates over the top. TL;DR the surface dictates which boot to wear and maybe we got it set up wrong yesterday. Edited September 20, 2020 by latemodelchild 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Owl14 said: The foundations of the pitch are made of sand Underneath the topsoil so they have to keep it wet before play so that it doesn’t just break up when the players studs go in it. Normally the home coaches can ask for the pitch to be wetter to suit their play more, I know Carlos did this as he liked the ball to fizz across the surface at higher speed with less resistance Thanks for the explanation but watering heavily definitely makes it more slippery. Sounds like a bit of a design flaw in the deso pitch if that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, latemodelchild said: Football boots come with 3 different outsoles. Soft ground (SG) Firm ground (FG) and all ground (AG) Plus astro turf (TF) but they never use those obviously. The ones people refer to as 'blades' don't actually exist anymore as they're banned. It was an idea in the 80s/90s that a blade shaped, elongated pyramid shaped stud would allow for better turning, reduce twisting injuries and increase forward speed. Theoretically it does but the downside is they're far more dangerous to an opponent, as seen by the injuries sustained that led to their ban. FG is what we used to call moulded, SG is a traditional screw in metal/nylon or hybrid stud. A lot of the SG boots have moulded studs between the screw in studs, generally positioned to allow the boot to come out of the ground during twisting to try and negate the old studs stuck in the turf injuries. AG does what it says on the tin and is a halfway house between the 2. Rarely seen at the moment as its neither fish nor fowl as they say. Plus players have sponsorships that provide any style they want, no need to economise for these lads. Most players on the pitch yesterday would have had FG or short studded SG boots on. With the pitch being a desso there could be a directive that long studs can't or shouldn't be worn. It's a fine line between having a boot that will grip and a boot that doesn't and its down to the surface. FG studs have a smaller surface are per stud than SG generally, therefore penetrate firm ground better. SG studs are needed when the ground is softer because even though both types will penetrate, SG penetrate deeper (ooh matron) FG on soft ground just skates over the top, SG on firm ground just skates over the top. TL;DR the surface dictates which boot to wear and maybe we got it set up wrong yesterday. Surely with the amount of water that the grounds team put on the pitch, all players should always have SG studs in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Animis said: Surely with the amount of water that the grounds team put on the pitch, all players should always have SG studs in? Surface water doesn’t necessarily make the ground soft Plus most players prefer to play in a certain type of stud regardless, only if the ground really requires a different one will they change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brommers Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 13 hours ago, Kevan said: I have a definite dislike for these "blades" that are prevalent on modern boots. I'm certain they aren't as effective as the tradional nylon or aluminium screw-in type studs. This slipping happens across all the professional leagues - didn't Gerrard slip at a vital moment season before last and cost Liverpool a game that could have kept them in contention for the league title? It just seems ridiculous to me that players keep on using the "blade" type boots. Think you're losing track of time. 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owly Mowly Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 It’s definitely started since resumption after lockdown, so if they add some sort of sanitisation that’s could be the difference. Not seen us struggle in away matches it’s only Hillsborough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodgybysea Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 My friend is the groundsman at Middlesbrough,I've been on the pitch quite a few times and suprisingly it's a very hard surface.I spoke to him about it and he says the length of the grass makes it look like it's got plenty of give, but actually its quite firm underneath thats why it doesn't cut up. As lmc says players sometimes just choose the wrong boots ,some of them try the longer studs but these are a risk because the ground underneath is so firm resulting in blisters,apparently a cardinal sin. My mates pet hate is the players who slide to celebrate a goal and pull up yards of the surface,drives him nuts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevan Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Brommers said: Think you're losing track of time. 2014 The issue remains though doesn't it? Players don't seem to have learned anything. Edited September 20, 2020 by Kevan Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 14 hours ago, neo hippy said: Happened a bit before lockdown Agreed last season as well, need to stop watering it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Our home record suggests watering doesn't give us an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOwl Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Get rid of them stupid blavdes and get some proper long screw in studs, simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, hodgybysea said: My friend is the groundsman at Middlesbrough,I've been on the pitch quite a few times and suprisingly it's a very hard surface.I spoke to him about it and he says the length of the grass makes it look like it's got plenty of give, but actually its quite firm underneath thats why it doesn't cut up. As lmc says players sometimes just choose the wrong boots ,some of them try the longer studs but these are a risk because the ground underneath is so firm resulting in blisters,apparently a cardinal sin. My mates pet hate is the players who slide to celebrate a goal and pull up yards of the surface,drives him nuts. Thankfully not something we have to deal with at Hillsborough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodgybysea Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Think they were even worse than us last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greengrass Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 15 hours ago, Nut said: Can never understand why they do this just before kick off and at half time. Ball moves quicker over the surface, for 'slick' passing. Man City go through 48 billion gallons per match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Farrell Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Another slippy pitch has cost us again today. So frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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