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Guest HillsboroughOwlNI
4 hours ago, Kew Owl said:

So perhaps you could kindly enlighten us which numbers specifically are “bullshit” and, if possible, provide us with a link to where we can locate and review the correct numbers.

 

Many thanks in advance

You mean the fact that if you have had Covid, are asymptotic but then trampled to death by Billy Sharp 2 months later... your death is recorded as Covid-19.

 

Or the fact that now we are barely recording any deaths.

 

Or that testing is at multiples of what was being tested in March-June.

 

Or that testing is concentrated in areas with a higher prevalence of the virus. 
 

If you look beyond BBC/SKY you’ll see many studies backing up the above. 

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2 hours ago, StudentOwl said:

Well, no it isn't 45k any more... officially it's about 41,637, but I'm guessing that isn't suitably low enough so you'll say it isn't that too.

I suppose if you "can't" tell me what the number is, you can at the very least explain why a figure of ~42,000 is wrong?

 

Now you are making stuff up ??

All I said was it is not 45k as the original post suggested.

Im not going to say it is or isnt 41,636 as I don't have an agenda.

 

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4 hours ago, NorthernOwl said:

 

Its the govt and their scientific advisors that are scared. And I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with anything the media is doing. 

 

 

 

 

Yep, they’re scared to death of the media, and what will happen to their reputation IF there’s a fatal second wave. Extra deaths from missed surgery, suicides etc won’t be as politically sensitive. This is why I blame the media though. They’ve whipped up the fear in the country and left the govt in a no-win situation.

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4 hours ago, A12owl said:

Just had a thought. West Ham supporters are the worst offenders for breaking Covid rules.

They are forever blowing bubbles 

Is that how Michael Jackson died? :ph34r:

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3 hours ago, NorthernOwl said:

 

Yes their restrictions are looser than here it's true but they still exist. You can easily google the official guidance and rules if you are interested. 

So someone in Sweden says it's getting Cold while his cousin in Eritrea says it's Hot here. Different places, different temperatures !

 

What a surprise that different conditions exist throughout the world.

 

Lock down early and Lock down often. Life trumps business every day of the week !  

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4 hours ago, NorthernOwl said:

 

 

Come on enlighten me. Here is your opportunity to educate. Don't pass it up!

 

I suspect I will be waiting a long time.....

First if all, you took the brunt of my annoyance on this so sorry. We’ve had journalists claiming exponential growth for the last month or so every time we get an increase in cases reported even though R was below 1 and the increase in cases was purely down to increased testing - so sorry about that.

 

However, covid never has and never will be exponential (like measles is for instance). To the layman, I was being pedantic.
 

It is a mistake that even the scientists and modellers that we’ve based our whole policy on are making.

 

They’ve all assumed that with a rate above 1 and a constant death rate that the disease will race through the population infecting most of us and killing huge numbers of us (500,000 of us according to the clown Ferguson).

 

That has never happened anywhere for any coronavirus.

 

Every time, in every country, regardless of measures taken it grows exponentially for 2-3 weeks then the growth slows before case numbers fall and it turns sub-exponential.

 

Where as with measles it would continue to grow until nearly everybody had been infected.

 

Now you’ll all say what does some sad statto know but I bet I’m right. By the 7th October (probably before), no matter what action is taken or not taken the R rate will be falling and the number of cases will start to fall.

 

Its happened in every country every time.

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10 minutes ago, HirstWhoScoredIt said:

First if all, you took the brunt of my annoyance on this so sorry. We’ve had journalists claiming exponential growth for the last month or so every time we get an increase in cases reported even though R was below 1 and the increase in cases was purely down to increased testing - so sorry about that.

 

However, covid never has and never will be exponential (like measles is for instance). To the layman, I was being pedantic.
 

It is a mistake that even the scientists and modellers that we’ve based our whole policy on are making.

 

They’ve all assumed that with a rate above 1 and a constant death rate that the disease will race through the population infecting most of us and killing huge numbers of us (500,000 of us according to the clown Ferguson).

 

That has never happened anywhere for any coronavirus.

 

Every time, in every country, regardless of measures taken it grows exponentially for 2-3 weeks then the growth slows before case numbers fall and it turns sub-exponential.

 

Where as with measles it would continue to grow until nearly everybody had been infected.

 

Now you’ll all say what does some sad statto know but I bet I’m right. By the 7th October (probably before), no matter what action is taken or not taken the R rate will be falling and the number of cases will start to fall.

 

Its happened in every country every time.

 

No worries I'm genuinely interested in hearing peoples opinions when they are based on sound reason. Thanks for taking the time to explain your thoughts.

 

All I can say is I hope you are right. 

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46 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said:

So someone in Sweden says it's getting Cold while his cousin in Eritrea says it's Hot here. Different places, different temperatures !

 

What a surprise that different conditions exist throughout the world.

 

Lock down early and Lock down often. Life trumps business every day of the week !  

 

Not sure why you are quoting me here......

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7 hours ago, A12owl said:

Stupid decision. But then we are talking EFL. 

Infection rate on the increase by massive amounts. "R" rate supposedly well above 1.

Gatherings reduced to 6. 

What are they thinking. Probably not thinking at all. 

Madness. 

In old money(allegedly of course)_£sd?...

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3 hours ago, SwellOwl said:

1,000 spectators you can social distance. However, I can’t see many clubs backing this - once they covered the cost of stewards, bar staff etc, it will be at a loss.

 

I suggest wait till we can allow substantial amount of people returning. 

 

I suppose it's a case of one step at a time and a learning curve for the clubs. When it's shown that 1,000 spectators can be accommodated safely, the next game could be 2,000, then 5,000 and so on, building up to the third of capacity which I think will be the maximum allowed for a while.

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10 hours ago, sonofbert2 said:

A few will die on Owlstalk and a good few more will have loved ones who do/have then we’ll see how everyone feels....

 

Others will have it/have had it and some will survive with horrific long term consequences.

 

It’s all a big hoax though because it is in everyones interest to crash economies across the world for a hoax.

I'm sure we all know of someone who died in a road traffic accident, but we don't stop all cars, we mitigate and try to make cars and roads safer, to make road layouts better, improve crossings and visibility, change the law, increase awareness of issues.

 

Every part of the country is returning to a "new normal";offices, shops, pubs, factories, schools, gyms etc so in that context, there's absolutely nothing special about football that would warrant it from not entering its first stage back to normality.

 

If people think that schools and offices should remain closed still, so be it, I'd disagree on that but football should be consistent with the wider environment, so if other things are re-opening elsewhere, so should football.  

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Context:

 

Government allow pilot schemes of 1000 spectators in sports (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54094363)

 

Clubs that are in regions where there is a local lockdown will not be allowed to take part in the pilot.  Sheffield isn't yet in that position, but could be soon.  Attendance of games is purely voluntary, you will not be forced to go.

 

Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, France, Denmark, Austria, Poland and Switzerland will all be returning to spectators being allowed into sports grounds this month or next.  Belgium has a higher death ratio than the UK (800+/m, compared with 600+/m).  France has a higher infection rate (right now) than the UK.  

 

Italy and Spain are not there yet.

 

Basically, this is not the EFL being all bad and nasty and stupid, this is in fact the EFL following Govt policy, which in fact mirrors that of several other European Governments.  

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No fair way of doing it, but someone might have held a 1 year ticket for 30 years and be behind someone in the ballot who bought a multi season ticket for the first time in January. 
 

Personally, I can’t understand why people are desperate to get back in football grounds. Most of the games are on TV anyway, and it’s not as though the football is that good. It all smells of football just trying to get income ASAP. 
 

A better strategy would be for them to run their business properly rather than rely on the fleecing of sheep football fans. 

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10 hours ago, NorthernOwl said:

 

No worries I'm genuinely interested in hearing peoples opinions when they are based on sound reason. Thanks for taking the time to explain your thoughts.

 

All I can say is I hope you are right. 

Even if he isnt,we simply must return to our previous way of living...we cant carry on locking down,walking about masked,unable to even visit a football match or support any other sporting event...what a society that we are now encouraged t be a Country of collective 'grass's'...Our young people unable to socialise like w e did,without 'breaking the law'

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CBA to wade through ten pages but how depressing would it be with only 1000 people in the stadium and none of the concourses open?

The crowd, singing, swearing, pointing at the away fans, the beer and the pies are as much as part of the match as the actual game itself.

I'd prefer to wait for the all clear for normal service to be resumed when everyone can go back.

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