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45 minutes ago, PortlandOwl said:

Should have been dispensed with years ago. With several others I might add. 

Years ago?

How many exactly?

lol

 

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On 19/09/2020 at 07:41, the monk said:

Must say I will never forget the open top bus parades around Sheffield ,players and manager proudly holding aloft our newly won 6th and 4th trophies

 

Oh for a return to the glory days!

 

Right, I think I've got it now.

 

- You cannot give a manager and players credit unless the season results in a parade

- Carlos let the players 'rule the roost', but the fact he and they achieved the best positions for 19 years is a complete fluke and noting to do with him or the players. 

 

Seems completely reasonable and in no way completely ridiculous. 

 

lol

 

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1 minute ago, Owls2k said:

 

Right, I think I've got it now.

 

- You cannot give a manager and players credit unless the season results in a parade

- Carlos let the players 'rule the roost', but the fact he and they achieved the best positions for 19 years is a complete fluke and noting to do with him or the players. 

 

Seems completely reasonable and in no way completely ridiculous. 

 

lol

 

I mean it was nowt to do with chucking millions at it and Paying huge wages that made us shoot up the table  

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18 minutes ago, james o connor said:

I mean it was nowt to do with chucking millions at it and Paying huge wages that made us shoot up the table  

 

Money does help but it doesn't matter how many millions you chuck at it if the players don't perform though. If money was the only requirement, teams could just buy their way into the prem.

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24 minutes ago, Hookowl said:

 

  If money was the only requirement, teams could just buy their way into the prem.

 

 

We're being constantly told that THEY DO but the only thing stopping us from doing that is EFL / FFP

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On 19/09/2020 at 11:05, Beholder said:

Hutch is a better player overall.

 

But Luongo is more of a natural midfielder and is more of a box to box player. 

 

 

Hutchinson was good but a bit one dimensional in midfield whereas luongo has a bit more flexibility and variety to his game..... different players and as we now play a different way there is little point in comparisons

 

Can't compare Lee Chapman and windass, both strikers but in a team playing a different way

 

He has gone so time to move on...

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4 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said:

 

Thing is, he wasn't that good. We get far too attached to overpaid players.

 

Fletch and Fessi are another 2 who will do nothing now.

 

What a sad reflection on our wasted finances of the last few years that these massively paid, supposedly top players struggle to even get clubs after us. Don't get me started on Westwood. Such a waste.

 

Hutch should have been a centre half in a back three from 2016-17, and CC said this at the start of that season. Our total inability to get a decent centre midfield player to play along side BB meant he ended back in midfield, picking up inquiries and we brought in Van Atken and rest is history.

 

Agree with you on the Fletch and FF, although for different reasons - Fletch for age and FF because he always struck me he had a mental age of a 14 year old.

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On 15/09/2020 at 10:45, Dutch McLovin said:

I just think the club and the manager are very bad at dealing with things in a professional manor. Things like the above, the communication in general the PR and the forward thinking. This has been a problem for a while with this club, especially under chansiri and now under monk also.

 

Even just little things like announcing the departures of Lee and Nuihu

they're gone.

there you are, i've done it for 'em.

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16 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said:

 

Thing is, he wasn't that good. We get far too attached to overpaid players.

 

Fletch and Fessi are another 2 who will do nothing now.

 

What a sad reflection on our wasted finances of the last few years that these massively paid, supposedly top players struggle to even get clubs after us. Don't get me started on Westwood. Such a waste.

Fletcher and fessi hardly struggled to get another club tbf

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4 minutes ago, Animis said:

 

Hutch should have been a centre half in a back three from 2016-17, and CC said this at the start of that season. Our total inability to get a decent centre midfield player to play along side BB meant he ended back in midfield, picking up inquiries and we brought in Van Atken and rest is history.

 

Agree with you on the Fletch and FF, although for different reasons - Fletch for age and FF because he always struck me he had a mental age of a 14 year old.

FF turned out to be a total mercenary available to the highest bidder, the only stumbling block for him was DC wouldn't let him go. Looking back now how much better off would we be if he had. FF hasn't turned a wheel in 3 seasons and walked away for nothing.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said:

 

How they done so far this season ?

 

Accept it mate Hutch was a bad buy, and bad for the club. He's gone and nobody else wants him.

 

Speaks volumes.

Accept it? I’ve accepted it..doesn’t bother me one iorta who goes who stays..

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Made it clear in an interview his next move wasnt about money, so playing and living in a warm climate like that? Cant fault him. 

 

Sure hes still on enough to live as well!! 

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Wish him all the best. Sounds like he’s going to have a very nice life living in the sun, from what he said it’s not about money. Good luck to him. 

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Hutch was a fantastic player for us - shame it ended like it did as he had a couple more years left in him.

 

Wish him all the best for his future.

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He had a spell of outstanding form. The first part of the second Carlos season he was the best midfielder in the league. We effectively built the team on clean sheets driven by the back two Loovens and Lees and hutch in front. I know that during that time the England camp were looking at him as there were big doubts over Dier in that position. He then lost fitness and form again , and by the end some of his performances were poor. 

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