darra 11,593 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, Essix Blue said: I see the fans argument to an extent. Wilder is their best bet of coming back up next season. But, will he get the same kind of squad together that he did last time? It has to be said he did an excellent job going from L1 to PL with the club, but they seem to think he’ll do it again no problem. Also. What’s the point? If Wilder has proved he’s not a PL manager why stick with him if their ambition is to be a PL team? I reckon a few of the new player's agents will working overtime to find them new clubs if they don't fancy life in the championship. Link to post Share on other sites
darra 11,593 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, SiJ said: Can he really be their best bet of getting back up if they go down with such a losing culture embedded within that coaching staff and group of players? Yes, the Championship is a poorer division, but I'm not sure it's one you want to be going into with what looks like it will be a pretty wretched record. I get the loyalty to him from Dem Blades given his achievements, but you're almost entering the territory of one man being bigger than the club at this rate. I don't see why he should be showered with praise when things go well, but then be almost shielded from criticism and questions over his future when they are in such wretched form. All part of the Wilder myth. Listening to a report on the radio last night and they were discussing what had gone wrong? They've not spent a lot of money in the summer was one theory when in fact £135million isn't exactly small change. Link to post Share on other sites
alanharper 32,692 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, darra said: All part of the Wilder myth. Listening to a report on the radio last night and they were discussing what had gone wrong? They've not spent a lot of money in the summer was one theory when in fact £135million isn't exactly small change. They'd be way better off had they spent £80m on Henderson and not bothered with the rest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
trev 4,027 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, darra said: All part of the Wilder myth. Listening to a report on the radio last night and they were discussing what had gone wrong? They've not spent a lot of money in the summer was one theory when in fact £135million isn't exactly small change. Injuries and bigger name players on much more money. They have been incredibly lucky with not getting many injuries to their core group over the past 3 or 4 years. They have picked up a few and it's made a big difference. Money talks....the players who had a solid season in the prem earning 6k per week expect to be earning 25k plus like the new lads who did nothing. Lundstram is a prime example. They are human and they are probably all thinking this is their one and only chance of making big big money. It's slipping through their fingers and they know it. Oh well. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
CalmJimmers 2,323 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Essix Blue said: I see the fans argument to an extent. Wilder is their best bet of coming back up next season. But, will he get the same kind of squad together that he did last time? It has to be said he did an excellent job going from L1 to PL with the club, but they seem to think he’ll do it again no problem. Also. What’s the point? If Wilder has proved he’s not a PL manager why stick with him if their ambition is to be a PL team? The main problem is is that Wilder obviously cannot spend money well. They've spent North of £100m and they have 2 points going on 4 months into the season - it's insane. Dunno how much Derby spent when they were in the Prem, but cannot imagine it's 9 figures. So they go down, back up, then what? Spend another £100m and come down again? It's crazy to me that there seems to be the majority still backing him. Well, crazy and fantastic from our perspective (minus us being completely and utterly cat meat of course). Link to post Share on other sites
Skyline 1,915 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, CalmJimmers said: The main problem is is that Wilder obviously cannot spend money well. They've spent North of £100m and they have 2 points going on 4 months into the season - it's insane. Dunno how much Derby spent when they were in the Prem, but cannot imagine it's 9 figures. So they go down, back up, then what? Spend another £100m and come down again? It's crazy to me that there seems to be the majority still backing him. Well, crazy and fantastic from our perspective (minus us being completely and utterly cat meat of course). He signed loads of players that were soon shipped out back in the Championship days. Luckily, these were low fee's and low wages. Meaning it was easy to ship them back out. He's now stuck with the likes on McBurnie, Brewster - Unless they take a big loss in transfer fee. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
The only way is S6 7,863 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I have genuinely lost track; is it now 2 points from a possible 57 or 60 in the league? Link to post Share on other sites
Django 1,807 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Pressure is well and truly on everyone they play now. Nobody will want the embarrassment of being the first team to lose to the unwinnables 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Django 1,807 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said: I have genuinely lost track; is it now 2 points from a possible 57 or 60 in the league? 19 games 2 points 16 this season, 3 at the end of last season 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Key 2,543 Posted December 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2020 44 minutes ago, The only way is S6 said: I have genuinely lost track; is it now 2 points from a possible 57 or 60 in the league? Not sure how many games, but it's definitely just the two points! 2 8 Link to post Share on other sites
Binky Griptite 2,619 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 Link to post Share on other sites
The only way is S6 7,863 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, Django said: 19 games 2 points 16 this season, 3 at the end of last season Right, so a steady Heinz varieties at the moment. Hopefully lose to CP next year. 2 from 60 sounds more tragic. Link to post Share on other sites
BIG D 21,636 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 With a cup defeat to throw in as well Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonbones 4,867 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 6 hours ago, sonofbert2 said: In this year, in such difficult times, we have our problems granted but that pile of crap performing so badly wearing a pig pink kit is a gift from the good Lord above we should never take for granted. The sky is blue, the clouds are white...... The pigs cant help but play ****ing s*ite Please add me on Linkedin, or......Waste some time, play 2048 Link to post Share on other sites
helmut_rooster 8,015 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Key said: Not sure how many games, but it's definitely just the two points! 8 Link to post Share on other sites
ShaunO1 141 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 6 hours ago, nbupperthongowl said: What I don't get, not watched much if them TBF, is that they seem to be playing the same way every week, just swapping a couple of players. If that hasn't worked for 20+ games, why will it work now, they don't seem to change anything. What is that definition of insanity... doing the same thing and expecting different results I think it shows that their managerial genius is actually a one trick pony with a trick that has a shelf- life that has expired All part of the master plan mate. The greatest manager in history doesn't change formations apparently. A bit like me in champ manager 01/02. Link to post Share on other sites
smhouston 1,733 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 5 hours ago, darra said: All part of the Wilder myth. Listening to a report on the radio last night and they were discussing what had gone wrong? They've not spent a lot of money in the summer was one theory when in fact £135million isn't exactly small change. I hear this a lot. Apparently they have barely spent anything when you look at the money thrown around in the premiershio, all of them will earn the money back, and none are on high wages (unlike what we brought in) so when they come down they'll still be paying peanuts and have parachute payments Link to post Share on other sites
nbupperthongowl 1,137 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, ShaunO1 said: All part of the master plan mate. The greatest manager in history doesn't change formations apparently. A bit like me in champ manager 01/02. As I said the definition of insanity... Can't see any problems with that approach, not as if they need a plan b currently Link to post Share on other sites
31Dec1966 3,330 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 10 hours ago, Bannofan said: It's funny , but any Owls fan posting on a Utd forum, even to take the mick, is pretty tin pot, obsessive and embarrassing. That's what we say when they post on here as well. We can enjoy their awful situation, but remember our clubs a joke as well. We all know what a truly dire position we are in but think how much worse we'd feel if they were in the position they were in just 7 months ago. There was a real possibility of them getting into the Champions League AND winning the FA Cup. There was a definite probability of them being in the Europa League and reaching the semi final of the FA Cup (an honours board achievement). I wouldn't post on their board but I love whats happening. I was told by their fans last season that it's their best ever season, well, no one remembers who finished ninth in any given season but, hopefully, everyone will remember who finished bottom this season. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Bluestripe 287 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Essix Blue said: I see the fans argument to an extent. Wilder is their best bet of coming back up next season. But, will he get the same kind of squad together that he did last time? It has to be said he did an excellent job going from L1 to PL with the club, but they seem to think he’ll do it again no problem. Also. What’s the point? If Wilder has proved he’s not a PL manager why stick with him if their ambition is to be a PL team? Let’s remember their move from Ch >>PL, was due to the (usual) spectacular implosion of Leeds...positioned in the 2nd auto spot with points and games in hand - which allowed the piggies to crawl into PL. It should never have happened but....Leeds being Leeds At that stage I was looking fwd to another PIG PENALTY CHOKE (record holders don’t ya know) Still irritated bout that.... Link to post Share on other sites
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