davetherivelinowl Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Tom Lees has been getting some pelters on here lately. I agree he was at his best when he had Loovens alongside, I agree he must have the worst distribution of any player in the Championship, I agree he must be the quietest captain in the Championship BUT for me he's still a very steady defender, possibly even the best we've got. Is he as rubbish as some would make out or is he not bad really? So I looked on whoscored.com to see if there was any evidence there that he'd suddenly become so poor and was actually surprised to see that (apart from the departed Fletcher and Joao) he was rated our BEST PLAYER last season, just ahead of Bannan, Iorfa and Borner. Incidentally this also suggests: a) 3 of our best 4 players last season were our centre-halves. Yet we've already bought another and are shopping for more. b) Only 5 of our top 13 players from last season are still with us - the 4 above plus Harris c) Windass was one of our worst performing players last season (below Pelupessy) I'm expecting people to say they only believe what their eyes tell them, rather than stats, but I'm one of those who thinks the stats might tell us something we've missed. And, in general, the stats on whoscored do seem to tally with what my eyes tell me. 3 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post royalowlisback Posted August 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2020 He's not even our best Centre Half. 13 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 We don't do evidence and stats on OT. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bulgaria Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Lee's has been an excellent signing for us. His form has dipped, but with some new faces, new coaching staff I have every confidence he will be back to his best. Tom Lees is the least of our worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 We should have sold Joaoa, based on those stats....all twelve minutes of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Another negative thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camffiti Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 He's not shiny and new though 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Always puts a shift in, just a steady reliable player with no airs or graces. Never going to grab the headlines but you know he will do you a job. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko1992 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 In our disabled team, yeah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Lees lost the plot last season.. One particular home game performance from him was truly horrific. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnb Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 But is he hungry? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philb125 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I don’t mind Lees, think he’s a really good defender. I feel bad for him that our best passer Bannan insists on passing to Lees so much rather than taking a touch and passing it forward instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 43 minutes ago, davetherivelinowl said: Tom Lees has been getting some pelters on here lately. I agree he was at his best when he had Loovens alongside, I agree he must have the worst distribution of any player in the Championship, I agree he must be the quietest captain in the Championship BUT for me he's still a very steady defender, possibly even the best we've got. Is he as rubbish as some would make out or is he not bad really? So I looked on whoscored.com to see if there was any evidence there that he'd suddenly become so poor and was actually surprised to see that (apart from the departed Fletcher and Joao) he was rated our BEST PLAYER last season, just ahead of Bannan, Iorfa and Borner. Incidentally this also suggests: a) 3 of our best 4 players last season were our centre-halves. Yet we've already bought another and are shopping for more. b) Only 5 of our top 13 players from last season are still with us - the 4 above plus Harris c) Windass was one of our worst performing players last season (below Pelupessy) I'm expecting people to say they only believe what their eyes tell them, rather than stats, but I'm one of those who thinks the stats might tell us something we've missed. And, in general, the stats on whoscored do seem to tally with what my eyes tell me. Those stats cant possibly be correct, where's Rhodes on that chart??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballmeist Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 During the playoff seasons he was steady away but has been on a gradual decline since then. As the OP has pointed out his distribution is poor and he increasingly gets caught on the back foot / out of position. I'd imagine with the introduction of Dunkley will mean he will get fewer minutes this season. Also I'm not sure how the ranking system applies but it's pretty obvious that Fletcher was our best player by a country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Still one of our best players. Yes a poor season by his standards. He’s better than Borner who gets so much love on here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 The reason Tom Lees' stats aren't as bad as they could be is that he abdicates personal responsibility. He will get rid of the ball at any cost, quite often a suicide pass across the back, causing the recipient whose probably marked, immediate problems. Said recipient gets robbed of the ball or has to do an emergency clearance under pressure and suffers adverse stats. Tom Lees however, is shown to have made a successful pass, cleared his lines & escapes the negative stats. All this is assuming he hasn't done his usual 'shuffle', lost the vital split seconds in decision making and done his trademark looping ball straight to an opponent or into the stand. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wednesday_Jack Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Bulgaria said: Lee's has been an excellent signing for us. His form has dipped, but with some new faces, new coaching staff I have every confidence he will be back to his best. Tom Lees is the least of our worries. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizzard1867 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Always puts a shift in, just a steady reliable player with no airs or graces. Never going to grab the headlines but you know he will do you a job. Even the stats show he got two man of the match performances. Reliable player, as long as the tactics make sense. He was drastically exposed, as were the rest of our defenders under Jos. I think he's been tarnished by what happened that season by this idea that Loovens kept him in line. Most of Lees problems in recent seasons were what was going on in midfield in front of him. He was part of a defence which broke clean sheet records two years on the spin. If we're recruiting CBs it's because we're playing three at the back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Didn’t we break our clean sheet record twice with Lees as a regular? We know he’s not a natural leader, we know he’s uncomfortable with the ball at his feet, but we also know he can defend. And with the right partner he can perform consistently well at the top end of the championship. I do question his mental toughness though. Certainly wouldn’t want a team full of Tom lees in a relegation scrap 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolton9owl Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Always puts a shift in, just a steady reliable player with no airs or graces. Never going to grab the headlines but you know he will do you a job. Regretfully he doesn’t meet our new forward looking policy requirements :- 1. He’s not young 2. He’s slow and lacks energy 3. He’s definitely not confident on the ball. 4. Not a particularly good tackler 5. He lacks vision to create openings for midfielders/ attackers. 6. He has no ‘on pitch’ leadership qualities. 7. Doesn’t appear to be highly favoured by the Manager 8. He doesn’t show any signs of being a quick thinker which inevitably slows down his distribution i think that’s enough to highlight he needs to go as at best he will only be used as a fallback defender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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