Emilianenko Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Here's the thing in football though You just don't see football teams succeed with managers and players who have historically succeeded It doesn't happen If it DID all a chairman would have to do to GUARANTEE promotion from this division is to only hire a manager who had succeeded before, and then fill the squad with players who had only succeeded before To just highlight how ridiculous that is with just two local examples, Sheffield United would never ever have hired Wilder and got promoted (no chance - their players hadn't succeeded to the levels you require, and the manager would't have been hired) The second local example is Jamie Vardy who was at Fleetwood Town - he'd never have been given an opportunity at Leicester and they'd have not succeeded as a club as a result I'm sorry but to suggest only people who have succeeded before will bring success is such an outdated, old man way of thinking. It just is not true. Football doesn't work like that. There are too many variables, and too many upcoming players, managers who prove it to be wrong, PLUS people who have been sacked/failed before go on to success. So this nonsense about someone's previous history is just that. Utter total nonsense. Are you actually serious. Wilder had a promotion on his CV with Northampton, took them over in a relegation fight, as well as winning trophies with Alfreton. Vardy was snapped up because he was scoring goals for fun and showing incredible form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: Are you actually serious. Wilder had a promotion on his CV with Northampton, took them over in a relegation fight, as well as winning trophies with Alfreton. Vardy was snapped up because he was scoring goals for fun and showing incredible form. I'm serious yes Both would have been discounted by Wednesday fans immediately due to these apparent new rules we have to stick by according to a few people posting about previously being sacked, not giving lower league players a chance etc Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I'm serious yes Both would have been discounted by Wednesday fans immediately due to these apparent new rules we have to stick by according to a few people posting about previously being sacked, not giving lower league players a chance etc You are talking utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 The resolution of the court case will hopefully take away a lot of the pressure that seemed to be on the club last season. We start on -12 . Personally I think that can be useful mentally . Start of the season mentality is a strange one - you look to get your first win but you just sort of play the games in front of you and then after 10 or so you generally know where you are shooting for. We have a very definite target - to get to 0 points ASAP - and that can really focus the minds of the players at a time in the season where focus is a challenge. If we can grind out 3 out of 4 wins at the start of the season - i dont care how ugly those wins are - then we will be in business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 Chris Wilder's record at Halifax and Oxford United - in the lower leagues with zero experience of managing at a higher level Wednesday fans employing the criteria stated by a couple of folk in this thread would mean he would be totally ruled out of any chance at SWFC That's if we go by their (bizarre) criteria of only employing successful managers/players Garry Monk's record at Leeds United and Middlesborough - at a much higher level of football See how ridiculous it is to try and stamp some weird criteria on appointments? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Emilianenko said: You are talking utter nonsense. Every single fact, statistic and history/record in football says otherwise You need to learn and develop past your outdated and incorrect views Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Chris Wilder's record at Halifax and Oxford United - in the lower leagues with zero experience of managing at a higher level Wednesday fans employing the criteria stated by a couple of folk in this thread would mean he would be totally ruled out of any chance at SWFC That's if we go by their (bizarre) criteria of only employing successful managers/players Garry Monk's record at Leeds United and Middlesborough - at a much higher level of football See how ridiculous it is to try and stamp some weird criteria on appointments? Some people are blinkered and they won't take them off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Chris Wilder's record at Halifax and Oxford United - in the lower leagues with zero experience of managing at a higher level Wednesday fans employing the criteria stated by a couple of folk in this thread would mean he would be totally ruled out of any chance at SWFC That's if we go by their (bizarre) criteria of only employing successful managers/players Garry Monk's record at Leeds United and Middlesborough - at a much higher level of football See how ridiculous it is to try and stamp some weird criteria on appointments? Chris Wilder won 5 trophies as a manager before joining the grunters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 minute ago, bladeshater said: Some people are blinkered and they won't take them off I know It's like they're in this alternate universe where you only employ managers who have never been sacked, and only bring players in who have been promoted etc etc Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, Emilianenko said: Chris Wilder won 5 trophies as a manager before joining the grunters. Look at his win record though - you would have turned him down for an interview with us as a result of it Garry Monk's record (at a way higher level) is far superior Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonstrix Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Surely for now it would be best for everybody to get behind the manager, his new staff and the squad he puts together and forget all this negative stuff. I felt he should have gone, but also recognised that he had to work in pretty bizarre circumstances without any staff of his choosing and with a clique of players who it appears wanted to undermine him. To those who are still being negative about him, just give him and his new staff a chance and by all means have a good moan again if after ten games we are nowhere near getting out of the bottom 3. Something approaching 20 points from the first ten games will have them out of the bottom 3. 15 points will be enough to make us feel optimistic. It’s not too much to ask that we give him 8 weeks to prove that he can get us to safety over the course of a season is it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Every single fact, statistic and history/record in football says otherwise You need to learn and develop past your outdated and incorrect views I don’t the answer to this but can you name a manager who was sacked three times and walked once without achieving anything that then went on to be successful? If you could then we can definitely ditch the previous history argument? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emilianenko Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Look at his win record though - you would have turned him down for an interview with us as a result of it Garry Monk's record (at a way higher level) is far superior Why have you included Monks best seasons and omitted Wilders record at Northampton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Plonk said: I don’t the answer to this but can you name a manager who was sacked three times and walked once without achieving anything that then went on to be successful? If you could then we can definitely ditch the previous history argument? Don't need to All I have to do is ask this question.. If it was that easy to succeed in football as a chairman you could (going by the criteria set by those in this thread) just employ a manager who's never been sacked before and only ever gets promoted, and then buy all the players in who have been promoted before and be GUARANTEED promotion! Surely it's THAT easy? If it IS then why don't Chairmen do that and how come new successful managers and players spring up and succeed? The criteria being thrown around in this thread isn't just outdated and incorrect it's totally utterly stupid 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Devonstrix said: Surely for now it would be best for everybody to get behind the manager, his new staff and the squad he puts together and forget all this negative stuff. I felt he should have gone, but also recognised that he had to work in pretty bizarre circumstances without any staff of his choosing and with a clique of players who it appears wanted to undermine him. To those who are still being negative about him, just give him and his new staff a chance and by all means have a good moan again if after ten games we are nowhere near getting out of the bottom 3. Something approaching 20 points from the first ten games will have them out of the bottom 3. 15 points will be enough to make us feel optimistic. It’s not too much to ask that we give him 8 weeks to prove that he can get us to safety over the course of a season is it? Yes pal let's support the club that Gary monk is a big part of it and if it doesn't work out the I'm sure they will make themselves heard until then let's be solid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, Emilianenko said: Why have you included Monks best seasons and omitted Wilders record at Northampton? To point out how utterly ridiculous your points are Do you not see that by doing this it completely invalidates any arguments you have for your criteria? And why do people include Monk's second half of the season when discussing him and omit the first half? See how it works? Easy innit! Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 43 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: You're totally 'allowed' to mate You can judge him on whatever you like But if you judge a manager as being rubbish because he's been sacked before it makes you look absolutely, totally, completely stupid. No pal. You've made yourself look stupid again. Absolutely no reason for the personal attack. None.. None whatsoever. Just because someone has a different viewpoint you take it personal. Bang out of order pal. You twist what you want to suit your own agenda. He's crap... Based on his stats The very same stats you said were the only FACT that mattered in a previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, quinnssweetshop said: No pal. You've made yourself look stupid again. Absolutely no reason for the personal attack. None.. None whatsoever. Just because someone has a different viewpoint you take it personal. Bang out of order pal. You twist what you want to suit your own agenda. He's crap... Based on his stats The very same stats you said were the only FACT that mattered in a previous post. I'm not saying you personally are stupid I'm saying anyone stating that kind of criteria looks stupid Two very different things Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Don't need to All I have to do is ask this question.. If it was that easy to succeed in football as a chairman you could (going by the criteria set by those in this thread) just employ a manager who's never been sacked before and only ever gets promoted, and then buy all the players in who have been promoted before and be GUARANTEED promotion! Surely it's THAT easy? If it IS then why don't Chairmen do that and how come new successful managers and players spring up and succeed? The criteria being thrown around in this thread isn't just outdated and incorrect it's totally utterly stupid Isn’t that pretty much what the top clubs do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 minute ago, quinnssweetshop said: You twist what you want to suit your own agenda. He's crap... Based on his stats MASSIVE MASSIVE IRONY ALERT HERE I've literally just this minute posted Monk's stats compared to Chris Wilder's stats and Garry Monk's are far far superior Or maybe we should take YOUR stats about only the second half of last season and forget the first half? Of course that wouldn't be twisting what you want to suit your agenda would it? (based on his stats) Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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