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9 minutes ago, Ozymandias Owl said:

Didn't Bournemouth break FFP in their promotion season a couple of years back? I assume the EFL won't be looking into that after all the other problems they have with FFP.

 

They've already paid a £4.75m fine to the EFL for the FFP breach.

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1 minute ago, mogbad said:

 

They've already paid a £4.75m fine to the EFL for the FFP breach.

Great News. That's clearly very equitable and fair.

 

It's a shame we weren't able to take a £4.75 million fine rather than suffer three years of FFP embargoes and a points deduction defered  until the club was brought to a point where the EFL could relegate us. 

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1 hour ago, mogbad said:

 

They've already paid a £4.75m fine to the EFL for the FFP breach.

Yeah and don't forget they only get £40m and a 12pt start on us. So really they have been punished same as us for breaking same rules.

Don't see what chansiri and some on here are moaning about.

 

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15 hours ago, Sticky Micky said:

Because majority of clubs in this league are receiving failure payments 

 

Do you really think players would be signing for Stoke if they weren't getting failure payments 


Just interested but how many exactly are receiving those? Nowhere near “majority of clubs” at a guess. 
 

A few of our fans are against these failure payments but how many of us would suddenly change our tune if we got promoted and was in line for them if we then got relegated? 

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15 hours ago, Sticky Micky said:

And how many of that 17 of zero ambition of spending money to get promoted 


You don’t have to spend shitloads, just build a team on what you can. Quite a few have actually done it. 

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15 hours ago, The Night-Owl said:

 

One way or another it looks inevitable that there will be a Premier League 2, with Leagues 1 & 2 and possibly the 5th tier being under the EFL bracket. The current format is a mess, with uneven rules, uneven TV money and parachute payments.

 

Could see more lower League clubs going bust in the near future too in the current financial climate worsened by the pandemic, lack of income from crowds and altered seasons.

 

Now, seemed like the ideal time to implement such changes to the League format and to increase spending limits of non parachute payment clubs. By the time it happens, numerous more clubs will have gone to the wall. Football is broken and the demise begun when the old First Division and European Cup were rebranded. 


The only talk of PL2 I’ve seen is on here. Why would the Premier League and their members vote for any change to it and then losing out on money.

 

You’ve then said club are about to go bust so implement changes so they can spend more 😂. If they’re about to go bust, they’re not gonna suddenly spend more, it’s time to tighten up and spend wisely if anything. 

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14 hours ago, ashley8 said:

Can't be arsed reading about how the incompetent EFL are moving the goal posts. While parachute payments in place it's pointless. The ever increasing money in the premiership will mean increasing the size of parachute payments in time no doubt. It's like the financial crisis. Those at the top run away with everything trashing football crushing it in to a hugely expensive thing. How much did Messi cost 10 years ago.... Is he better and worth more now. No it's just rediculous how for the same product we all keep paying more and more and more. Agents are the key they drive it all. Meanwhile just as in the financial crisis the people lower down get crushed. If you try get round it because there is no legit way to get promoted you get done. If it was a ture fair system nobody would need to. Should be about football not money. It's only about money now. 


The EFL aren’t moving any goal posts. It is the clubs who agreed to it.
Should we get to the Prem, would you still be against failure payments? All it is is sour grapes from a certain section of fans cause we haven’t got these payments. 

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On 26/08/2020 at 13:43, The Horse said:

It doesn't beggar belief though when the majority of EFL clubs will never be in a position to fight for promotion to the Premier League.

It's in their best interests to throttle the majority back to somewhere near their level.
Only way out is for Prem League 2.

 

For the umpteenth time...

 

Who is going to fund a PL2?  The current PL clubs - nope.   TV companies - nope, or highy unlikely.

 

Plus, how would a PL 2 be any different to what we currently have?  Wouldn't every PL2 club be chucking the kitchen sink at getting into PL1, the proper and more prestigious PL?

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9 hours ago, SouthStand75 said:


You don’t have to spend shitloads, just build a team on what you can. Quite a few have actually done it. 

 

Name them.

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11 minutes ago, The Horse said:

 

Name them.

 

Really?  You can't think of any local clubs that have managed to get promoted in the past few years using footballing, rather than financial clout?

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Norwich and Cardiff still had parachute cash.
I'll give you the others but they're the exception to the rule.

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2 hours ago, Manwë said:

 

Really?  You can't think of any local clubs that have managed to get promoted in the past few years using footballing, rather than financial clout?

 

Blunts would've been embargoed if they didn't go up.
They spent.

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On 26/08/2020 at 13:40, The Night-Owl said:

Why can't they increase the P&S limits for the non parachute payment recieving clubs to the same amount that the parachute payment clubs receive or allowed to spend? It seems it's getting harder for non parachute payment clubs to compete with the several parachute recieving clubs. It's hard to see any of the non parachute payment clubs going up, other than Brentford but I wouldn't be surprised if all three that go up are clubs recieving parachute payments. 

Is that some sort of haiku? 

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Its all totally fuçked up, how clubs can approve this when majority of the fans up and down the country have been complaining about how unfair this is makes it sound very out of touch - the thing that does need to change is PL contract terms for players in case of a club being relegated this would stop the Parachute payments structure.

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38 minutes ago, Blue and white said:

Football, as bent as a butchers hook.

Sooner PL2 starts the better.


Where have you got the idea PL2 is ever going to be a thing? It’s only a thing on this forum and that’s it. I googled it to see if It linked to any other forums / clubs discussing it. The results of that search...it’s already set up and active....for youth football 🤦‍♂️

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16 hours ago, The Horse said:

 

Blunts would've been embargoed if they didn't go up.
They spent.

 

It's amazing what the internet can do.

 

https://financialfootballnews.com/sheffield-united-fcs-2019-finances-blade-runners/

 

You can see that United made losses of (latest to earliest, past three years)

£21m

£2m

£5m

 

Total £28m, well under the £39m allowed.

 

But there's a catch.  The £21m is an inflated figure.  It's high because their outgoings increases relate more to paying bonuses, for, guess what?  Promotion.  Had they not been promoted, they wouldn't have had a £21m loss that season.


Want to know the most galling thing?  While we were selling off our history to pay for the incompetence of one man, United bought their stadium, training ground, Hotel and other assets.  In their previous accounts, this was going to be for around £43m (although this later increased I believe).   That's about half of what we are  paying Mr Chansiri in rent for Hillsborough alone.

 

Basically, a well run club, not on parachute payments, achieving promotion and sustaining their position in the PL.

 

 

 

 

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