bobness Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 hours ago, theowlsman said: They gave us a good fisting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) Not a great result for the development boys, but looking at the squad, it perhaps doesn’t surprise me Incidentally, assuming Monk identifies transfer targets for the first team, or at least has a role in that, who identifies targets for the development squads? Edited August 25, 2020 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Not a great result for the development boys, but looking at the squad, it perhaps doesn’t surprise me Incidentally, assuming Monk identifies transfer targets for the first team, or at least has a role in that, who identifies targets for the development squads? Maybe Bully now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, Hookowl said: Maybe Bully now ? Maybe, although their has to be some coordination with the first team set up, as they’re not a separate entity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, gurujuan said: Maybe, although their has to be some coordination with the first team set up, as they’re not a separate entity You would hope it was a combination of both first team and academy coaches plus the scouting department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Any player from the U23 with half a shot at the first team is with the first team in Loughborough so no surprise really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Hookowl said: You would hope it was a combination of both first team and academy coaches plus the scouting department. Yes true The other thing I’d like to see, is Wednesday treating the U23 games as more of a reserve team. I know there are limitations on overage players, only 4 I believe, including the keeper, but rather than have players sat around getting no game time, we should let them play in these games. Sure we do try to arrange behind closed door friendlies, but they are so infrequent, and with a packed schedule this year, they will become more so. For example, if we go with Wildsmith next season, then Dawson should alternate with Render, so he can remain sharp. Yes it squeezes Jackson out, but there will be a lot of times when Dawson is needed, or games might overlap, so he’ll get his chances. Better still, send Jackson out on loan, so he gets regular game time. Sometimes I think it has been used as a punishment, making senior players turn out for the U23s, making it feel degrading. We have to get away from that, and these games should be seen as preparation for the first team. At least we have started doing it the other way as well, by involving development players in first team training. All that is useful for making players feel part of the set up. One thing that should never be done in my opinion, is to ever have less than our quota on the first team substitutes bench Really pees me off when we do this, when we can involve one of the youngsters and give him a taste of first team participation 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Because professionalism Showed in the result then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Yes true The other thing I’d like to see, is Wednesday treating the U23 games as more of a reserve team. I know there are limitations on overage players, only 4 I believe, including the keeper, but rather than have players sat around getting no game time, we should let them play in these games. Sure we do try to arrange behind closed door friendlies, but they are so infrequent, and with a packed schedule this year, they will become more so. For example, if we go with Wildsmith next season, then Dawson should alternate with Render, so he can remain sharp. Yes it squeezes Jackson out, but there will be a lot of times when Dawson is needed, or games might overlap, so he’ll get his chances. Better still, send Jackson out on loan, so he gets regular game time. Sometimes I think it has been used as a punishment, making senior players turn out for the U23s, making it feel degrading. We have to get away from that, and these games should be seen as preparation for the first team. At least we have started doing it the other way as well, by involving development players in first team training. All that is useful for making players feel part of the set up. One thing that should never be done in my opinion, is to ever have less than our quota on the first team substitutes bench Really pees me off when we do this, when we can involve one of the youngsters and give him a taste of first team participation Come the end of the season it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if some of the under-23 lads down in Loughborough are established first team/first team squad members. Totally expecting big seasons for Hunt and Shaw plus lack of options in certain areas could see Waldock and Hagan emerge sooner than expected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Jim said: Come the end of the season it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if some of the under-23 lads down in Loughborough are established first team/first team squad members. Totally expecting big seasons for Hunt and Shaw plus lack of options in certain areas could see Waldock and Hagan emerge sooner than expected? That's my tea ruined then. Thanks for that nightmare. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, gurujuan said: Yes true The other thing I’d like to see, is Wednesday treating the U23 games as more of a reserve team. I know there are limitations on overage players, only 4 I believe, including the keeper, but rather than have players sat around getting no game time, we should let them play in these games. Sure we do try to arrange behind closed door friendlies, but they are so infrequent, and with a packed schedule this year, they will become more so. For example, if we go with Wildsmith next season, then Dawson should alternate with Render, so he can remain sharp. Yes it squeezes Jackson out, but there will be a lot of times when Dawson is needed, or games might overlap, so he’ll get his chances. Better still, send Jackson out on loan, so he gets regular game time. Sometimes I think it has been used as a punishment, making senior players turn out for the U23s, making it feel degrading. We have to get away from that, and these games should be seen as preparation for the first team. At least we have started doing it the other way as well, by involving development players in first team training. All that is useful for making players feel part of the set up. One thing that should never be done in my opinion, is to ever have less than our quota on the first team substitutes bench Really pees me off when we do this, when we can involve one of the youngsters and give him a taste of first team participation Agree with you there, if players aren't out on loan they still need to keep match fit somehow, just having training sessions isn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, quinnssweetshop said: That's my tea ruined then. Thanks for that nightmare. It could easily be but some youngsters forcing there way in and establishing themselves as important players is long overdue here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Jim said: It could easily be but some youngsters forcing there way in and establishing themselves as important players is long overdue here? That’s it, but I want to see them force their way into Monk’s thinking, not just played because we haven’t got anyone else That’s why I’ve always been against clogging up the squad with ageing journeymen, and certainly don’t subscribe to “ he’s OK, it’s all we can afford, and he can be back up” comments In terms of player recruitment, I don’t believe we should be signing players who are no better than what we have, or had, unless they are a promising youngster who we can develop It used to infuriate me, when we were duplicating thirty somethings for every position Edited August 25, 2020 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 So this is an U23 pre season friendly. Slow news day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: Barnsley could count their goals on one hand Forestieri would get a 6 match ban for cracking worn out jokes like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, the monk said: Forestieri would get a 6 match ban for cracking worn out jokes like that! Irony alert Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitecap Owl Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, the monk said: Forestieri would get a 6 match ban for cracking worn out jokes like that! One game per finger... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Smackavolley Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Nero said: So this is an U23 pre season friendly. Slow news day? and it was a week ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: Irony alert Woooosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlsend Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said: It was an Under 23 game, Oh the new lad scored both goals. If that’s true I’m glad to see Kieran Westwood is doing Well in the net Edited August 25, 2020 by Owlsend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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