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2 minutes ago, vulture_squadron said:

Out of interest how do you expect him to develop if he's 4th or 5th choice? What's the point of signing someone to be back up?

 

"We really want you to sign for us, lad. We intend to stick you on the bench and only use you if everyone else is injured. Sound good? Sign here."

 

Like others have said, if this is who we're after it tells you everything you need to know about swfc moving forward. We can't afford or attract top quality so we're going for younger players offering them first team football and a chance to develop. If Da Cruz is coming, he'll be playing.

 

We play with 2 strikers. If you’re 4th choice you still start games. Think Nuhiu, Rhodes, Winnall etc. At some point being 4th choice you do get game time. Also means he should be coming off the bench.

 

Also like you said there are injuries too. Then there’s the idea he should be developing daily in training surrounded by what should be better players and coaches compared to Serie B.

 

Then it’s up to the player to take his chance when he gets it.

 

The point in signing someone as backup is we don’t have any strikers bar Rhodes. You need a squad. It’s pretty simple really. You do know plenty of players do sign for clubs knowing they will be backup players and need to force their way in?

 

I’m always for the idea unless it’s a young prospect we should be signing players to improve the first team. However when we don’t even have a first team you also need to sign backup players.

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On 19/08/2020 at 11:44, Roscoe P. Coltrane said:

Just goes to show how low we are in the football food chain.

and thank god for that .....i embrace the fact that we seem to finally  have some plan on signing younger players on the cheap and hopefully moulding them into a squad that can survive and then hopefully prosper in this division ........whether it will work out we'll have to wait and see but it cant be any worse than playing overpaid losers who flatter to deceive for a period and then just sit out there fat contracts  as all hope of being successful as long gone .  

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On 19/08/2020 at 08:46, Philb125 said:

This thread and a few others sums up Owlstalk for me. You have to build a squad of 25-26 players on a budget of about £18M a year salaries going by the Salary Cap recommendations and our history shows we spend in excess of £20M previously. So working to the £18M figure that is an average of £13.3K per player per week for 26 players.

 

You can't have a team/squad of stars on £20-25k per week, we tried that.... it didn't work and now we are up a creek, selling our stadium etc.  So you need a blend of players some of which are lessor players, on lessor salaries. Yet we as fans criticise without factoring in cost or value. 

 

Borner is judged vs Tom Lees, despite Lees costing twice as much per week. Atdhe was always judged vs Hooper, Fletcher etc despite those players being on two to three times as much. Westwood on eight to ten times Wildsmith salary yet judged identically. 

 

If the average squad player is earning £13.3 for every Bannan on £20K+ you need a Da Cruz on £5K or so. Luckily I think the penny has dropped with the club, as we seamingly have been bringing in lower average salary players for past two/three windows but fans still don't appear to have caught on. Bemoaning every lessor player we are linked with, with a sense of entitlement that is very odd considering the vast majority of last 20 or so years where we haven't had two pennies to rub together.

 

I think Da Cruz would be a useful player. I don't think he's finished article nor do I think he'll bag 15 goals but I think he'll deliver value for money with potential to improve. For all of the neh sayers - who else do you get for free costing less than 5K a month that has power and pace?


Again, super post mate. I have seen so many people posting about individual players, when it is a team game and as you point out a squad game.  The fukin pigs signed Leon Clarke. On here, it would have been TOTAL MELTDOWN. Yet, look what happened. He slotted into a team and system and bingo, he scores shed loads of goals....

 

THINK team, think squad.

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2 hours ago, ZicoSterland2 said:

If a playet isn't good enough it doesn't matter that he is a cheap option. The bottom line is still that he isn't good enough. There is no value in bringing in players of league 1/2 standard who can't do the job they are being paid to do.


and I think you’ve nailed it.

 

Do we need 25 in a squad if 4 or 5 aren’t anywhere near good enough or desperately injury-prone? Save the salaries of those 4 or 5 and buy/loan a smaller number of healthier better players. 

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1 hour ago, daveyboy66 said:

Or as you put it...he didn't sound very good on the radio...  lol

 

Aww hi Dave. Yeah I don’t go to any games, my ticket just sits in my drawer at home collecting dust while I’m watching the pigs. Well done old boy, give yourself a pat on the back. 

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13 hours ago, torryowl said:

and thank god for that .....i embrace the fact that we seem to finally  have some plan on signing younger players on the cheap and hopefully moulding them into a squad that can survive and then hopefully prosper in this division ........whether it will work out we'll have to wait and see but it cant be any worse than playing overpaid losers who flatter to deceive for a period and then just sit out there fat contracts  as all hope of being successful as long gone .  

Totally agree with you

But Da Cruz is gash.

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Interesting CV, he's been at higher level clubs than us, he obviously has a talent

 

We are shopping with players like this in mind, he fits the bill

 

Compared to last season, we're now in a better position to improve his play

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6 minutes ago, happy bunny said:

Interesting CV, he's been at higher level clubs than us, he obviously has a talent

 

We are shopping with players like this in mind, he fits the bill

 

Compared to last season, we're now in a better position to improve his play


What bill does he fit though? 
 

Where does he play?

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13 hours ago, WalthamOwl said:

 

Aww hi Dave. Yeah I don’t go to any games, my ticket just sits in my drawer at home collecting dust while I’m watching the pigs. Well done old boy, give yourself a pat on the back. 

So how many games during lockdown did you attend?

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7 minutes ago, modboy said:

According to this he's on more than iorfa. 

 

Bonkers if true

 

https://footballleaguefc.com/sheffield-wednesday-2019-20-player-wages/

 

Ps Jones salary can't be right!!!!

 

Edit must be made up. Look at van aken

 

The majority fit reports on here and in the media.

 

They also fit certain games too.

 

You have to remember Van Aken was rated reasonably highly and linked with Lazio. We paid a few million for him. Think just under £3m. It’s not unlikely he is paid £20k a week, £1m a year. 

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Need to give Van A a few games this year if we don't move him on. Let him have a fair go as a Wednesday player. Certainly can pick out a pass. 

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Van Aken on £20k. WTF.

 

If he's on half that it's too much. We will never shift him. That is outrageous. It must be wrong.

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12 hours ago, Holmowl said:


What bill does he fit though? 
 

Where does he play?

 

I'm happy to answer that

 

Right now we are looking to tighten our belt, money is available it seems but limited

 

The type of players we are signing are young, raw, have talent and are within budget

 

The CV fits in nicely with that model

 

He's had an audition, if Monk goes for it then I will back all parties

 

If not then hey ho 😊

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Leko proved in a handful of games for Charlton more than Da Cruz did for us after he signed. If we ended up getting Leko then can’t see a need to Da Cruz to come back.

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