torryowl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 19/08/2020 at 11:44, Roscoe P. Coltrane said: Just goes to show how low we are in the football food chain. and thank god for that .....i embrace the fact that we seem to finally have some plan on signing younger players on the cheap and hopefully moulding them into a squad that can survive and then hopefully prosper in this division ........whether it will work out we'll have to wait and see but it cant be any worse than playing overpaid losers who flatter to deceive for a period and then just sit out there fat contracts as all hope of being successful as long gone . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 19/08/2020 at 08:46, Philb125 said: This thread and a few others sums up Owlstalk for me. You have to build a squad of 25-26 players on a budget of about £18M a year salaries going by the Salary Cap recommendations and our history shows we spend in excess of £20M previously. So working to the £18M figure that is an average of £13.3K per player per week for 26 players. You can't have a team/squad of stars on £20-25k per week, we tried that.... it didn't work and now we are up a creek, selling our stadium etc. So you need a blend of players some of which are lessor players, on lessor salaries. Yet we as fans criticise without factoring in cost or value. Borner is judged vs Tom Lees, despite Lees costing twice as much per week. Atdhe was always judged vs Hooper, Fletcher etc despite those players being on two to three times as much. Westwood on eight to ten times Wildsmith salary yet judged identically. If the average squad player is earning £13.3 for every Bannan on £20K+ you need a Da Cruz on £5K or so. Luckily I think the penny has dropped with the club, as we seamingly have been bringing in lower average salary players for past two/three windows but fans still don't appear to have caught on. Bemoaning every lessor player we are linked with, with a sense of entitlement that is very odd considering the vast majority of last 20 or so years where we haven't had two pennies to rub together. I think Da Cruz would be a useful player. I don't think he's finished article nor do I think he'll bag 15 goals but I think he'll deliver value for money with potential to improve. For all of the neh sayers - who else do you get for free costing less than 5K a month that has power and pace? Again, super post mate. I have seen so many people posting about individual players, when it is a team game and as you point out a squad game. The fukin pigs signed Leon Clarke. On here, it would have been TOTAL MELTDOWN. Yet, look what happened. He slotted into a team and system and bingo, he scores shed loads of goals.... THINK team, think squad. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 hours ago, ZicoSterland2 said: If a playet isn't good enough it doesn't matter that he is a cheap option. The bottom line is still that he isn't good enough. There is no value in bringing in players of league 1/2 standard who can't do the job they are being paid to do. and I think you’ve nailed it. Do we need 25 in a squad if 4 or 5 aren’t anywhere near good enough or desperately injury-prone? Save the salaries of those 4 or 5 and buy/loan a smaller number of healthier better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, daveyboy66 said: Or as you put it...he didn't sound very good on the radio... Aww hi Dave. Yeah I don’t go to any games, my ticket just sits in my drawer at home collecting dust while I’m watching the pigs. Well done old boy, give yourself a pat on the back. Edited August 21, 2020 by WalthamOwl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 13 hours ago, torryowl said: and thank god for that .....i embrace the fact that we seem to finally have some plan on signing younger players on the cheap and hopefully moulding them into a squad that can survive and then hopefully prosper in this division ........whether it will work out we'll have to wait and see but it cant be any worse than playing overpaid losers who flatter to deceive for a period and then just sit out there fat contracts as all hope of being successful as long gone . Totally agree with you But Da Cruz is gash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy bunny Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Interesting CV, he's been at higher level clubs than us, he obviously has a talent We are shopping with players like this in mind, he fits the bill Compared to last season, we're now in a better position to improve his play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, happy bunny said: Interesting CV, he's been at higher level clubs than us, he obviously has a talent We are shopping with players like this in mind, he fits the bill Compared to last season, we're now in a better position to improve his play What bill does he fit though? Where does he play? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Ambivalent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 13 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: Aww hi Dave. Yeah I don’t go to any games, my ticket just sits in my drawer at home collecting dust while I’m watching the pigs. Well done old boy, give yourself a pat on the back. So how many games during lockdown did you attend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 hour ago, daveyboy66 said: So how many games during lockdown did you attend? Every game mate. Big mates with DC but don’t tell anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) According to this he's on more than iorfa. Bonkers if true https://footballleaguefc.com/sheffield-wednesday-2019-20-player-wages/ Ps Jones salary can't be right!!!! Edit must be made up. Look at van aken Edited August 22, 2020 by modboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, modboy said: According to this he's on more than iorfa. Bonkers if true https://footballleaguefc.com/sheffield-wednesday-2019-20-player-wages/ Ps Jones salary can't be right!!!! Edit must be made up. Look at van aken The majority fit reports on here and in the media. They also fit certain games too. You have to remember Van Aken was rated reasonably highly and linked with Lazio. We paid a few million for him. Think just under £3m. It’s not unlikely he is paid £20k a week, £1m a year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Need to give Van A a few games this year if we don't move him on. Let him have a fair go as a Wednesday player. Certainly can pick out a pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 2 hours ago, theowlsman said: Ambivalent You can never have too many players who are good with both feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Van Aken on £20k. WTF. If he's on half that it's too much. We will never shift him. That is outrageous. It must be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, prowl said: Van Aken on £20k. WTF. If he's on half that it's too much. We will never shift him. That is outrageous. It must be wrong. Football manager is usually pretty accurate https://fmdataba.com/20/p/150307/joost-van-aken/ Tbh I think that first website have just used the FM database Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy bunny Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 12 hours ago, Holmowl said: What bill does he fit though? Where does he play? I'm happy to answer that Right now we are looking to tighten our belt, money is available it seems but limited The type of players we are signing are young, raw, have talent and are within budget The CV fits in nicely with that model He's had an audition, if Monk goes for it then I will back all parties If not then hey ho 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Leko proved in a handful of games for Charlton more than Da Cruz did for us after he signed. If we ended up getting Leko then can’t see a need to Da Cruz to come back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitcat Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Swiss Toni said: Leko proved in a handful of games for Charlton more than Da Cruz did for us after he signed. If we ended up getting Leko then can’t see a need to Da Cruz to come back. Click below to see how good a Da Cruz, Leko partnership would be..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hitcat said: Click below to see how good a Da Cruz, Leko partnership would be..... I'll buy that, but who's playing Max? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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