steelcityowlsfan Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I’d rather DC spend the 500k on a player than waste his time appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twolaptops Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 The points will be deducted 60 days after the end of the appeal rebate period in line with refunds...............ie 12th of never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, No 2 is r nilsson said: From the information published this isn’t apparent. Nor is the reason why the deduction goes in next season, not 2 seasons ago. The EFL shouldn’t get to pick and choose. I only know what’s been published today but this seems like a strong appeal. It is very apparent. Both Miere saying she wouldn’t feel comfortable back dating a transaction. Club auditor John Warner has said if he had known no legally binding agreement he would not have accepted in the 17/18 financial statements. So how can we win an appeal when there was no legal agreement in place to disprove what we have done? We can’t. Regardless of how inept the EFL have handled it, we broke the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 is r nilsson Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 hours ago, 0114 said: It is very apparent. Both Miere saying she wouldn’t feel comfortable back dating a transaction. Club auditor John Warner has said if he had known no legally binding agreement he would not have accepted in the 17/18 financial statements. So how can we win an appeal when there was no legal agreement in place to disprove what we have done? We can’t. Regardless of how inept the EFL have handled it, we broke the rules. Where has John Warner said this? Surely any agreement is legally binding if it is in fact an agreement with the intention to be legally binding, the only difficult may be evidencing it, but is that what’s being said? I don’t think the club’s auditors would openly admit to being negligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, No 2 is r nilsson said: Where has John Warner said this? Surely any agreement is legally binding if it is in fact an agreement with the intention to be legally binding, the only difficult may be evidencing it, but is that what’s being said? I don’t think the club’s auditors would openly admit to being negligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I’m past caring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls_fan_since_1983 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I hope it overturned and we get a 12 point head start, saying that we still probably won't make the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 is r nilsson Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, 0114 said: So he’s saying that an oral agreement can’t be legally binding? I think whoever reported this has his facts mixed up. I also expect the auditors would have checked the facts behind a transaction of such importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, No 2 is r nilsson said: So he’s saying that an oral agreement can’t be legally binding? I think whoever reported this has his facts mixed up. I also expect the auditors would have checked the facts behind a transaction of such importance. Think what you want. That’s literally a quote from the auditor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 is r nilsson Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, 0114 said: Think what you want. That’s literally a quote from the auditor. But he doesn’t give the quote, he’s just reporting something the auditor apparently said. He also says the agreement was based on an oral agreement. Most agreements are before they’re put in writing. It makes them no less legally binding. We’ll see. It also doesn’t answer the question of why the deduction wasn’t imposed in the year of the supposed accounting fault. Can the EFL pick and choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grez Bez Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I think we'll start on on +12 point's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, No 2 is r nilsson said: But he doesn’t give the quote, he’s just reporting something the auditor apparently said. He also says the agreement was based on an oral agreement. Most agreements are before they’re put in writing. It makes them no less legally binding. We’ll see. It also doesn’t answer the question of why the deduction wasn’t imposed in the year of the supposed accounting fault. Can the EFL pick and choose? It’s from the report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 7 hours ago, 0114 said: -12. I don’t think we will win an appeal. It’s pretty apparent the stadium was sold too late meaning we broke FFP. Maybe the appeal will be based on unfair timing..or timed perfectly by the efl..especially because of the time wasting tactics by the efl, re charging officials based on FA. Maybe we could argue the -12 should have happened 8 months ago, but due to rigging from the efl they chose to wait. Maybe the efl are bent as foook and have the dolls on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSandersonOWL Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Grez Bez said: I think we'll start on on +12 point's The way we play we'll probably end on -12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 19 hours ago, WalthamOwl said: I would guess we will start on -12 and points will only be taken off if we won the appeal. I hope not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 18 hours ago, the monk said: Do you actually think anyone knows ??? Someone on here will know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 15 hours ago, 0114 said: It is very apparent. Both Miere saying she wouldn’t feel comfortable back dating a transaction. Club auditor John Warner has said if he had known no legally binding agreement he would not have accepted in the 17/18 financial statements. So how can we win an appeal when there was no legal agreement in place to disprove what we have done? We can’t. Regardless of how inept the EFL have handled it, we broke the rules. Which was to meet EFL requirements. Reportedly because of EFL incompetence so why couldn’t we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0114 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, slinger208b said: Which was to meet EFL requirements. Reportedly because of EFL incompetence so why couldn’t we? I think both SWFC and EFL have shown incompetence. The EFL pressed for legal documentation on the stadium sale, that was their requirement. Turns out all we had was an oral agreement which according to the report holds no legal weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Apolon Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I've heard from a source that we will start on +90 but only be allowed to field a team of owlstalk members Trials start next week #ITK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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