0114 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Played in a 352 under Jos against Wigan in 17/18. Didn’t play well. Personally just don’t think Van Aken is a Championship defender. With possibly Dunkley or Venancio coming in, maybe even both I’d gather than Monk isn’t happy with our CB options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCOWl Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 I think if we can unscrew him out of the ground from when piggy Duffy did him we can try and give him another run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mr Farrell said: Has to be made Captain. Took 3 years to find, and best of over 200 central defenders looked at. Build the team around him and he'll become a legend. Paxo is never wrong. His club were devastated he’d left they said. Though haven’t been back in for him as his career Wayned. Wayne Van Aken, name changed by deed poll. Wednesday legend. Appearances 16 Goals 0 I miss Aero 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEARSON Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Being optimistic there is a player in there somewhere. I think he didn’t adapt to the English game quick enough and then lost all of his confidence. I wouldn’t write him completely off just yet, we’re in need of other positions more than his so stranger things have happened than him starting as cover and then showing over the course of a season that’s he’s not as bad as initially thought and maybe getting a starting place as the season goes on. Not saying that will happen, just I think he’s ok as a back up player and you never know from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, camffiti said: Van Aken & Rhodes will save our season If people think that after ten years of managment without any success Monk can turn it around now then anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Horrible technical flaws that should have been detected before he signed. You can't train turning or balance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) The main problem we have is, Lees, Iorfa and Borner, all look better in a two. I think the system was adopted, purely because we had no recognised left back. Palmer was OK at left back, but he was the only right back, so we were almost forced to play that way. In the end, the system neither made us any more secure, nor did it improve us as an attacking force. However, if we do persist with it, we need better ball playing centre backs, and proper wing backs, not wingers masquerading as wing backs. Edited August 12, 2020 by gurujuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 59 minutes ago, billyblack said: unless we can sell him i suspect he will be playing given we dont have anyone else at the minute strikers are more pressing than defenders Spot on. In a back 3 he’s probably 5th or even 6th choice behind the obvious trio plus Palmer and maybe even Moses. Though would come into contention if Borner is injured due to being left-sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, gurujuan said: The main problem we have is, Lees, Iorfa and Borner, all look better in a two. I think the system was adopted, purely because we had no recognised left back. Palmer was OK at left back, but he was the only right back, so we were almost forced to play that way. In the end, the system neither made us any more secure, nor did it improve us as an attacking force. However, if we do persist with it, we need better ball playing centre backs, and proper wing backs, not wingers masquerading as wing backs. And some names of these mythical “proper wing-backs” are............? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Holmowl said: And some names of these mythical “proper wing-backs” are............? I guess that’s why we shouldn’t play the system. So few clubs play it, so there’s a dearth of natural wingbacks. Doesn’t mean we can make it work by playing just anyone there, that much is clear. I suppose having Penney back could help, but I’ve not seen him in that role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 23 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Spot on. In a back 3 he’s probably 5th or even 6th choice behind the obvious trio plus Palmer and maybe even Moses. Though would come into contention if Borner is injured due to being left-sided. Moses needs to be nowhere near a back 3. RWB yes. We have Borner, Iorfa and Lees and Van Aken for CB. Need another ideally. We just need 3 or 4 strikers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Soul Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 JVA is potentially an outstanding player. People ( not least many fellow owls) assume players climb out of a box marked finished article. Football isn’t like like that! Ffs, life isn’t like that. im open minded enough to give him a chance under the right nurturing 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_guite Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 5 hours ago, billyblack said: unless we can sell him i suspect he will be playing given we dont have anyone else at the minute strikers are more pressing than defenders At 0-0 we still get a point, defenders are just as if not more important imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 minute ago, k_guite said: At 0-0 we still get a point, defenders are just as if not more important imo. I guess he means because of the current options in each department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 If we play a flat back 10 it might suit him as at least there are 9 other players who might be able to defend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowl Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 I can't see it happening for Van Aken here now, but he's also been unlucky with the timings of his injuries. Almost 3 years since we signed him now, and he can only have been available to play for little more than maybe 20 or 30 games. I suppose we saw enough of the negatives to his game to feel certain enough about his chances. Even so, maybe Monk will take a look and see something there - but I suspect it's far more likely we'll be trying to get him fully out the door this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff74 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 He played ok in his first couple of matches, which started a brief spaff fest about him supposedly being a genius piece of transfer business. In each and every appearance from that point, he may as well have been wearing clown's shoes. No formation is going to make him a decent player, unless we can somehow get 12 men on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Il never forget watching him at cardiff,the week before we played the scrubbers and thinking how hard Tom Lees had to work that day to cover his errors,it just didnt bode well for the upcomming derby. Paxo really stuffed us with JVA,has to be the worst CB weve had on the books for decades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, legendaryswan said: Il never forget watching him at cardiff,the week before we played the scrubbers and thinking how hard Tom Lees had to work that day to cover his errors,it just didnt bode well for the upcomming derby. Paxo really stuffed us with JVA,has to be the worst CB weve had on the books for decades We played Forest at home around the same time. He sold himself terribly for their goal, diving in needlessly and allowing their man to advance on goal. But it was ok as he hit a decent 40 yard pass later. I am a bit of a traditionalist and want my defenders to be able to defend as a priority. Edited August 12, 2020 by Ever the pessimist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendaryswan Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ever the pessimist said: We played Forest at home around the same time. He sold himself terribly for their goal, diving in needlessly and allowing their man to advance on goal. But it was ok as he hit a decent 40 yard pass later. I am a bit of a traditionalist and want my defenders to be able to defend as a priority. Yeah I remember that gaffe as well. All that blarney CC gave us about watching 200 CBs was a load of tosh,theres easily 200 better playing amatuer football in yorkshire! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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