Popular Post areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted August 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, quinnssweetshop said: poor, very poor. Don't get me wrong, i see your point.... However, i'd have sooner we had gone for a raw up and coming team, than a tried it, bankrupted em and failed team...again, and again, and again. That's my concern. I'll be shouting for em for success like most on here, but.... can't say i'm pleased with this choice at all. You don't rate the job they did at other clubs, then? For me, they did a good job given the circumstances in which they were working... Swansea were two points above the bottom three when Monk took over from Michael Laudrup. By the end of that season they were 9 points clear and comfortably avoided the drop. The following season, he led Swansea to 8th in the Premier League, missing out on European football by four points. In his final season at Swansea, they were 15th in the Premier league after 15 games, at which point he was sacked. They finished the season in 12th. He then took the reigns of a Leeds side who'd finished 13th the season before and guided them to 7th in the Championship, before resigning at the end of the season. Leeds finished 13th again the following season. Following that, he moved to recently-relegated Middlesbrough and had them sat 9th in the Championship, three points off the top six at the halfway point, before being sacked. Pulis took over and they finished in the top six by three points, before missing out on the playoffs the following season. He then took over at Birmingham City, who were in the bottom three with eleven games to go. They survived the drop by five points. The following season, despite a nine point deduction, he took Birmingham to 17th place, before being sacked. Birmingham finished 17th but with 12 fewer points the following season. I'm not saying he's the next Guardiola, but he's not a bad manager, either. Given the contexts and what he's had to work with, he's done at least a decent job at every club he's managed. Only Leeds have improved since he left, and that took a new chairman, a turnover of more than 40 players, and managerial legend Bielsa's revolution to achieve. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalAlien Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, quinnssweetshop said: poor, very poor. Don't get me wrong, i see your point.... However, i'd have sooner we had gone for a raw up and coming team, than a tried it, bankrupted em and failed team...again, and again, and again. That's my concern. I'll be shouting for em for success like most on here, but.... can't say i'm pleased with this choice at all. I think most are just happy to think we're not going into the new season with the same 'failed' coaching staff. They might not be the greatest, but they at least give us hope that things might change. Beatie has had success with individual strikers (Woods, Adams, Jutkevic) and Andy Hughes has a very good reputation I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upperwinngardensowl Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, Owlsend said: Not disrespectful It’s lucky he’s got any role at the club at all he’s not exactly been a success in that role.... I will not dispute is loyalty to the club but unfortunately it comes with successYou can’t judge what he did in 2004/2008 we’ve got too many players what cling onto the club...... Up until Christmas we somehow managed to get to 3rd although god knows how. During that time Bullen was caretaker manager and after Monk came in still had a lot of influence. Monk himself said that it took a very long time to get his own ideas across to the players. Thats gone well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, Owlsend said: Not disrespectful It’s lucky he’s got any role at the club at all he’s not exactly been a success in that role.... Which bit did he fail at specifically? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycraign10others Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, A12owl said: Great news. Spread the workload and give more time for specialisation. Has DC decided that this season is now possibly the most crucial since he arrived. We have to survive and those 3 coaches would appear to add a lot of strength to the backroom staff. If Monk is to stay and it is certain now he is, he will need help and he's got it. Finish 6th and we're all happy. Just get some players now. Perhaps the 3 new coaches will have some players in mind. Agreed with this until... Finish 6th and we're all happy. I think if we finish 6th we’ll be ecstatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 3 hours ago, @owlstalk said: Time now for those moaning about Monk to get put your gripes to one side, get behind him, back him, and give it 100% support Hope this makes the difference, and there is no need to think it wont will now wait and see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 3 hours ago, CalmJimmers said: Finally, a bit more professionalism in the structure. Sort out the higher up structures now. Why do you believe that there is “a bit more professionalism in the structure”. We already had an assistant manager , goalkeeping coach and first team coach. The structure hasn’t changed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, A12owl said: Great news. Spread the workload and give more time for specialisation. Has DC decided that this season is now possibly the most crucial since he arrived. We have to survive and those 3 coaches would appear to add a lot of strength to the backroom staff. If Monk is to stay and it is certain now he is, he will need help and he's got it. Finish 6th and we're all happy. Just get some players now. Perhaps the 3 new coaches will have some players in mind. To be honest next season i will be happy with fourth from bottom, anything else would be great build a solid base and see what happens the season after next 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, quinnssweetshop said: Makes you wonder that our lack of a " team " for Monk has been purely down to the fact that he's been ignoring anyone else working with him ( which would have helped us ) Just so he could give a payday to his mates. Chansiri has to be the biggest mug in football. Any more stories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Any more stories? Give me one reason why Monk hasn't had a " team " round him so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmJimmers Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lawrie’s Left Peg said: Why do you believe that there is “a bit more professionalism in the structure”. We already had an assistant manager , goalkeeping coach and first team coach. The structure hasn’t changed. Because as said above, we have been working on a patchwork quilt of coaching staff for about 12 months now. Monk has finally got his team in, rather than plugging gaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycraign10others Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 hour ago, graz gp said: Monks win ratio needs to change and very quickly.. We need to sign players now and get down to business. Monks win rate with this team together is 40%. Seems pretty reasonable to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 minute ago, quinnssweetshop said: Give me one reason why Monk hasn't had a " team " round him so far. Legal reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shezzas left peg Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) No excuses then now, he's finally got most his own coaching team in and looking at it, it's a very good and experienced team at that. Hopefully he can now hand the reigns over a bit to them and bully, so he can deal with the more pressing matter of getting some transfer targets in so they've got some players to work with. Beattie's striker training drills are going to be a bit empty Edited August 12, 2020 by shezzas left peg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) At last we'll have a management team that are all singing from the same hymn sheet. Best news to come out of Hillsborough since Xmas. I actually am excited about next season -up and at 'em. Edited August 12, 2020 by doubleo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, quinnssweetshop said: Give me one reason why Monk hasn't had a " team " round him so far. Maybe waiting for what he considered the right team ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Scarlett Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, shezzas left peg said: No excuses then now, he's finally got most his own coaching team in and looking at it, it's a very good and experienced team at that. Hopefully he can now hand the reigns over a bit to them and bully, so he can deal with the more pressing matter of getting some transfer targets in so they've got some players to work with. Beattie's striker training drills are going to be a bit empty I can see Rhodes winning every sprint relay now. What a player we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleblue Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: You don't rate the job they did at other clubs, then? For me, they did a good job given the circumstances in which they were working... Swansea were two points above the bottom three when Monk took over from Michael Laudrup. By the end of that season they were 9 points clear and comfortably avoided the drop. The following season, he led Swansea to 8th in the Premier League, missing out on European football by four points. In his final season at Swansea, they were 15th in the Premier league after 15 games, at which point he was sacked. They finished the season in 12th. He then took the reigns of a Leeds side who'd finished 13th the season before and guided them to 7th in the Championship, before resigning at the end of the season. Leeds finished 13th again the following season. Following that, he moved to recently-relegated Middlesbrough and had them sat 9th in the Championship, three points off the top six at the halfway point, before being sacked. Pulis took over and they finished in the top six by three points, before missing out on the playoffs the following season. He then took over at Birmingham City, who were in the bottom three with eleven games to go. They survived the drop by five points. The following season, despite a nine point deduction, he took Birmingham to 17th place, before being sacked. Birmingham finished 17th but with 12 fewer points the following season. I'm not saying he's the next Guardiola, but he's not a bad manager, either. Given the contexts and what he's had to work with, he's done at least a decent job at every club he's managed. Only Leeds have improved since he left, and that took a new chairman, a turnover of more than 40 players, and managerial legend Bielsa's revolution to achieve. Excellent summary. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) I’m a bit perplexed TBH. He’s got his own staff around him now but it’s not as if them as a team have pulled up any trees wherever they’ve been. Perhaps Beattie has got quite a bit out of the strikers at his disposal in the past so in that sense could be a good addition. Our problems though are at the back and for us to be successful this is the priority to be sorted IMO? I’m laying off **** now as there is no point flogging a dead horse with some on here. I know what I’m expecting but I hope I’m wrong? I’m just totally disillusioned with the club as a whole as a lot of us are at the moment. Edited August 12, 2020 by Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 3 hours ago, TomBee said: Great news, would've preferred Clotet as well but can't have it all. Why do you think it’s “great news” that Monk has assembled most of the back room team that have been, at best, average in their previous assignments working together? Klopp & Buvac would have been “great news” (for Klopp & Buvac read Guardiola & Vilanova; Mourinho & Clarke; Ferguson & Kidd er al or even Redknapp & Bond) Reuniting Monk’s team of journeymen, albeit a team that know each other’s methods, may improve things marginally but, given their past record and Monks start to life at S6, I just can’t see this as “Great mews” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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