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Wolves and how to successfully cheat FFP rules


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I've said it before, but it bears repeating here...

 

We have to be one of the thickest clubs around, don't we?

 

Plenty of clubs have overspent, but they did it to such an extent or timed their push so that they were almost guaranteed promotion, and thus avoided the clutches of the EFL.

 

We, on the other hand, overspent to build a decent team who were capable of the playoffs but nothing more, then when we realised the plan was going badly wrong, had no idea how to get out of the mess in which we'd put ourselves, leaving us with very little to show for all the trouble except for a points deduction and the loss of our stadium.

 

Braindead.

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Once you get to the Premier League, not much else matters. They gambled, as we did, but they gambled on quality to see the job through. While, with the help of the super agent, they brought in top end Portuguese internationals, our obsession with fading Scottish players from yesteryear, saw our downfall 

They went for quality over quantity, where with us, it was the other way around

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Fosun Group has far greater financial clout than Chansiri and far more political leverage. Bending the rules is much easier when the resources are available to do it.

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30 minutes ago, pazowl55 said:

I think they go hand in hand. Neves never goes there without Mendes.

The aligned themselves with the super agent that is Mendes, we sold out to Stuffing Boy.

Only at Sheffield Wednesday.

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15 minutes ago, Blue and white said:

The aligned themselves with the super agent that is Mendes, we sold out to Stuffing Boy.

Only at Sheffield Wednesday.

They got very lucky. I dont blame us for not getting Mendes for example. 

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1 minute ago, pazowl55 said:

They got very lucky. I dont blame us for not getting Mendes for example. 

No, I think they had a clear strategy and carried it out perfectly They also have a very good coach

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9 hours ago, Sefton owl said:

When are we going to stop feeling sorry for ourselves christ alive.

Never for some. Seem hell bent on moaning about injustice rather than us getting our own house in order. 

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1 minute ago, gurujuan said:

No, I think they had a clear strategy and carried it out perfectly They also have a very good coach

Very true. All made possible by Mendes. My point is they were lucky getting him. Agents like that able to attract the best player the championship has probably ever seen in it, Dont come by all the time do they.

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Just now, pazowl55 said:

Very true. All made possible by Mendes. My point is they were lucky getting him. Agents like that able to attract the best player the championship has probably ever seen in it, Dont come by all the time do they.

No true, and had they not made the promised land, Mendes would have been proactive in relocating those big name players elsewhere. Unlike us, stuck with them until their contracts run down

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2 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said:

For the second time in “recent” history you can argue we didn’t spend enough and properly go for it.

We didn’t, but in the long run, we’ve probably spent more in trying to achieve what they did

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2 hours ago, SouthStand75 said:

Whilst they spent and got promoted, that’s not the only way to get promoted. You just need a manager who is good at working within a budget, who can identify players from the lower leagues with potential and will fit into how he wants to play. 

Yes you just need a manager who worked within a budget  ... easy as that isn’t it ..

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18 hours ago, StudentOwl said:

Comparing Wolves (who if I recall correctly made a profit for two consecutive years prior to their takeover) to us, and comparing UEFA FFP rules to EFL rules? It's kind of a moot point isn't it? You're comparing apples to oranges.

Their net transfer spend in 16/17 was £30m in the red, so not really profitable

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12 hours ago, Mcguigan said:

It's probably overlooked because what your suggesting is not entirely true.

 

Yes Wolves went for it but in that promotion season and the season prior to it, they bought some very salable players to add to their already decent group of salable players. Players that other clubs would actually pay good money.  

 

If their gamble had failed, all the loan signings which contributed massively to the huge wage bill, would have returned to their respective clubs and to comply with P&S, they'd have to sell some top players to balance the books.

 

There isn't really a parallel to our club in that respect, as we signed players on huge wages on 4 year long contracts that no other club would pay decent money for, even if Chansiri agreed to sell them.

 

 

 

 

I agree with elements of what you say, however there are a few key points to note.

 

Firstly the transfer business in the first season Fosun took over was ok, The big buy was Helder Costa, who probably wasn't a roaring success but they turned a profit on him when they flogged him to Leeds. Cavaleiro also turned out as good business. Don't forget though at the time Forestieri was quite 'saleable' (hence why Villa tried to sign him), Bannan was also worth a decent sum, and a few others in our 15/16 squad would have been desired by other clubs.

 

You're right that they were clever in getting a number of quality players in on loan rather than paying up front for them in that this de-risked the plan quite a bit, however it seems to me that what they did was look at the blueprint we set out in getting to two successive play-offs and essentially improved on it. They brought in a bunch of high profile signings, several who were arguably too good for the champo, with the promise of PL football and big wages the season after if they went up. Brilliant in a way and certainly a smarter approach than what we followed, however doesn't really follow the spirit of FFP that the rules were originally created for.

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Didn’t they get taken over after us? If MM could have held on a bit longer we may have been seeing the likes of Neves and Jota at Hillsborough. 
 

Never mind we got Melo, Sasso and Sogou. 
 

Honesty Wednesday could fall in a barrel of t**s and come up sucking their thumb. 

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Very bitter-sounding OP and a few cheap shots at Wolves’ success in there too.

 

Let’s not forget that Chansiri tried to cheat the P&S rules and couldn’t even do that right.

 

Stadium sold, our reputation in the gutter, first points deduction in our history, squad in the worst shape it’s been in years and a one way ticket to League One next year.

 

I don’t think we can take the moral high ground here.

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I don't buy the argument that teams buy their way up to the premier League. 

 

Getting out of this league to the promised land is about exceptional management in my view and that managers ability to get the best out of the players. 

 

Bielsa has done it this year, Parker has done it and Bilic has done it. Wilder did it last year. 

 

If it was just about gambling by spending a fortune there's plenty of teams still in this division who shouldnt be. 

 

Carlos was fantastic in that first season and I genuinely think we were on to something with Bruce but other than that we haven't come close to getting that bit right and that's the bit that matters most in my view 

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