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1 minute ago, @owlstalk said:

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The Failure figure for Norwich, Watford and Palace is £45M why thefuck would any club in the championship put temselves EVEN FURTHER behind them

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So how does income from player sales relate to the cap?

 

Clubs will presumably pay more in transfer fees/signing on fees to get a competitive edge on others.


By deductions from the cap presumably they mean youth wages dont count and you can deduct cup/loan income off your wage bill to get under the cap. If there is a 5% buffer then why not just make it 18.9m and charge anyone who goes above that?


If most clubs can pay 18m annually anyway (presumably many do already) then how does that tax benefit them other than giving them income they can’t use to do anything they would’ve done anyway?

 

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2 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

The EFL still don't get it do they? STILL making exceptions for clubs relegated from the Prem. Until the EFL get their head out of the premier league's arse and refuse to allow failure payments, then there will never be financial  fair play  in the championship. 

 

 

spot on 100%

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As a matter of interest ,Some of you will know ,How many clubs not counting the relegated clubs ,Will have parachute payments ,Stoke and Huddersfield  are two ,Could any of you post the others thanks .

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A proposal that sounds good on the face of it, but is fraught with difficulties and wouldn't work. 

 

The EFL rule equivalent of trying to nosh yourself off. 

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Will these rules be instantly enforced by not permitting registrations, or after the fact by 13 month secret hearings resulting in unexplained point deductions? I hope the former, because I am sick of the EFL model of slow water torture of the supporters, relegation and promotion being earned in the end by the quality of your QC first team.

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Seems redundant posting this having read replies so far but until parachute payments are stopped, or ffp is brought into line with them nothing will work. Level the playing field and let us compete. 

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26 minutes ago, Jeffjohnsonmyhero said:

As a matter of interest ,Some of you will know ,How many clubs not counting the relegated clubs ,Will have parachute payments ,Stoke and Huddersfield  are two ,Could any of you post the others thanks .

 

Payments due in 2020-21 season

 

Huddersfield £35M

Cardiff £35M

Stoke £15.5M

Swansea £15.5M

 

And Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford £43M each.

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4 minutes ago, Tommy Crawshaw said:

 

Payments due in 2020-21 season

 

Huddersfield £35M

Cardiff £35M

Stoke £15.5M

Swansea £15.5M

 

And Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford £43M each.

Sweet jesus. That's insane when you see it written down. 7 clubs receiving a head start. Add in the fact that at least the 3 who recieve theost are also allowed to lose more than us for at least 1 season and our punishment looks like a joke. It's not a level playing field and it needs to be sorted out. There are 17 teams in the league that could band together and put some pressure on. It's embarrassing that they aren't. 

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47 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

The EFL still don't get it do they? STILL making exceptions for clubs relegated from the Prem. Until the EFL get their head out of the premier league's arse and refuse to allow failure payments, then there will never be financial  fair play  in the championship. 

 

 

Bang on mate 

 

Just think if west ham relegated the pigs next season. Be good fun though 

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Is anybody still arguing that FFP isn't about keeping clubs from going into admin, but to keep the status quo of the Prem?

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2 minutes ago, latemodelchild said:

Sweet jesus. That's insane when you see it written down. 7 clubs receiving a head start. Add in the fact that at least the 3 who recieve theost are also allowed to lose more than us for at least 1 season and our punishment looks like a joke. It's not a level playing field and it needs to be sorted out. There are 17 teams in the league that could band together and put some pressure on. It's embarrassing that they aren't. 

 

Yep.... and when you consider that Swansea and Stoke have had £78M each over the last 2 seasons It's so unbalanced.

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Sounds sensible. Too many clubs are running up massive debts just to compete.

 

On the relegated clubs exception - I don't mind a transition period of 2 or 3 years, as clubs would need a while to adjust to the new rules, but after that they would have no excuse. Players would start having massive relegation wage reduction clauses put in as standard and it would ultimately hasten the demise, or at least reduce, parachute payments.

 

I'm not fully up on all the rules, but as far as parachute payments go - is there much the EFL can do about this... isn't it the Premier League that pay these out?

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Whats really fk ing me off is arsenal about to make 55 staff redundant, yet wanting to pay millions in wages for willian from Chelsea 

 

 

Fair fk ing play. Yeah right 

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So teams that know they are going down, will offer players out of contract new deals before they get relegated,  to ensure the better players stay, if they want to drop to the championship. Poor premier league players or still generally better than a lot of championship players. (E.g. most of the Villa squad)
 

Players potentially benefit, as usually they would get released and not they get a new contract after relegation, if they want to drop a League. 
 

The rest of the championship have to compete with even less resources; and will have to recruit lower quality players to meet the rules. 

Is this correct? Might as well stop relegation from the Premier League 

 

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54 minutes ago, S36 OWL said:

The EFL still don't get it do they? STILL making exceptions for clubs relegated from the Prem. Until the EFL get their head out of the premier league's arse and refuse to allow failure payments, then there will never be financial  fair play  in the championship. 

 

 

 

This...

 

The proposal allows for any former Premier League club that is still receiving parachute payments (which could be up to 9 clubs a season) to cost the salary of any player who signed when in the PL at £720K (£13.85K p.w.), no matter what their actual salary is.

 

While every other team's total salary outlay is capped at £18M, the ex PL teams wage bill could be double that and easily paid for by parachute payments. I thought the EFL wanted to make things fairer, instead it would make it even more weighted in favour of the relegated PL teams.

 

 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Tommy Crawshaw said:

 

Payments due in 2020-21 season

 

Huddersfield £35M

Cardiff £35M

Stoke £15.5M

Swansea £15.5M

 

And Bournemouth, Norwich, Watford £43M each.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if all three clubs that go up will be any three out of those several teams. Could see Brentford giving it a go again but apart from them it seems inevitable, that two or three of the parachute payment clubs will go back up again.

 

Whilst the non parachute payment clubs all struggle to remain within tight FFP/P&S limits without failure payments. It's looking more likely that other clubs will face points deductions before or during next season, along with us.

 

Even one or two of those clubs you listed with parachute payments are facing the possibility of a points deduction or transfer embargo too. One of whom I have heard rumours about possibly facing an impending transfer embargo. What hope do the non parachute payment clubs and lower League clubs have of staying within unfair limits and being competitive, when clubs with failure rewards and even some top flight clubs are feeling the pinch? Football is broke and as fizzed itself and it only as itself to blame. 

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