@owlstalk Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, Blue and white said: I don't think it would take to much at all. I think he would want full control over 1st team affairs such as recruitment. Fallen at the first hurdle there then Mr Pearson Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, jonnyowl said: I think the 12 point deduction makes it difficult, but we gave Bruce £2 million a year so why not try and tempt someone. As for lower leagues, I'd rather have Gareth Ainsworth than Monk, he's done an amazing job with Wycombe. Look at the cowleys. We need a manager with alot of championship experience to get us through this preferably one thats worked under similar restrictions before. Its probably the reason Monk was and is still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 We are too close to the start of the season to bring in another manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, pazowl55 said: Look at the cowleys. Did a great job in the pub leagues Someone took a chance on them on the Championship Massive flop, very much a "danny wilson" type appointment, and they were rightly sacked Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Fallen at the first hurdle there then Mr Pearson I honestly think that's part of the reason Bruce left truth be told, he alluded to things happening and Paxo being part of the fabric of the club. Sadly there comes a point when you have to change your stance, you can't keep doing what has failed you and expect your luck to change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: What about the first half of the season? If we're judging managers on half a season (as it seems the Monk Haters are) then let's judge Paul Cook on the first half of last season Fair? Good! How did he do? Results in the first half of the season were decent, never denied it. But to then follow it by having the worst second half of a season in decades is unacceptable. Your argument is like defending Alan Irvine and saying "well he won 5 of his first 7 matches so he must be good". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, alanharper said: Results in the first half of the season were decent Decent? We were third! Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Thanks to Garry Monk Instead of childishly selecting a few words from my post, can you attempt to regain some credibility by answering the actual question? Can you please explain how a midtable club having a points deduction which put them to lower midtable, and still had enough points to finish 12 points above the drop despite only winning 2 of the last 12 games makes "saving them from relegation" some sort of achievement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, alanharper said: a midtable club having a points deduction which put them to lower midtable, and still had enough points to finish 12 points above the drop Does this not show/prove Monk is a good manager? 9 points deducted NINE POINTS taken off them and yet despite that and all the threat/pressure of that hanging over the club Monk STILL finished 12 points above the drop 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: Decent? We were third! Yes. And in the second half we were second bottom. So surely the only fair way to judge him would be to look at his entire record, yes? On average points gained per game, he has the worse record of any permanent manager since Eustace in 1989. Considering the dross we've had since then that's some going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Blue and white said: I honestly think that's part of the reason Bruce left truth be told, he alluded to things happening and Paxo being part of the fabric of the club. Sadly there comes a point when you have to change your stance, you can't keep doing what has failed you and expect your luck to change. Newcastle waving his big dream job under his nose may have influenced him. What did he allude to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, alanharper said: Yes. And in the second half we were second bottom. So surely the only fair way to judge him would be to look at his entire record, yes? On average points gained per game, he has the worse record of any permanent manager since Eustace in 1989. Considering the dross we've had since then that's some going. It's almost like: Most of the first team squad was running out of contract and told they'd not be getting it renewed Some of the most important first team players ran off before the end of the season Covid meant a threadbare squad had to play a game every other day with no real recovery time He didn't have his own coaching team at the club Our first choice goalkeeper decided his was 'injured' (again) There was a threat of relegation hanging over the club from the New Year till the last game of the season etc etc etc I could go on (there's lots lots more) but the Monk Haters will just pretend none of that happened and he should have won promotion regardless Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just had to delete a couple of personal attacks on me for having a different opinion to others That's quite sad Let's keep it non-personal and friendly please We all have different opinions on things - no need to be making it personal at all I can handle everyone piling on me with different views but let's keep it friendly here and not resort to personal attacks Now - back to the TOPIC (any other posts / attacks will simply be deleted - let's keep it on topic please) Garry Monk 3 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Newcastle waving his big dream job under his nose may have influenced him. What did he allude to? Dream job that he previously turned down as well as having no problem whatsoever managing their rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markowski77 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I was firmly Monk out, and still not convinced by a long long stretch But...:he is our manager, and isn’t going anywhere (unless Bournemouth poach him) I think we’ve got to try help him if he is the man to lead us forward, eg back room staff, players , budget etc I’m hoping he has learnt from some of mistakes from last season - and we can move on with a fresh young dynamic team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, 83owl said: Dream job that he previously turned down as well as having no problem whatsoever managing their rivals. More fool him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Getting Monk out now and finding out no one decent wants to come would leave us in an even bigger hole before the seasons starts. Edited August 5, 2020 by matthefish2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest paulvcooke Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Monk has not been a Premier League manager since 2015, does anyone think he'll be one again anytime soon or at all? Or manage in Europe again anytime soon or ever again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts Owl Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Sheffield Wednesday boss Garry Monk is the second-favourite with the bookmakers for the vacant Bournemouth job. The Cherries parted company with Eddie Howe by mutual consent last week and are on the lookout for a new boss to spearhead their promotion push this season. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashley8 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 He's over just waiting to be sacked. Stop trying to 're write history. He's not got a great track record before us. We have played a lot of at times horrible crap thus season. Our defence has parted so often Moses must be coaching them. He has shown nothing to have any hope of him turning things around. We just made a great attempt to get ourselves relegated. Our points deduction is likely to keep him in a job. Think about that we will need to win as many games as we can just to survive SURVIVE and some of you want to give HIM the chance to do that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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