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Just now, rickygoo said:

As @DJMortimer has worked out with a 12 point deduction we’d have been relegated 11 times since we left the Premier League - that’s more often than not - and would have no play off appearances. Then we have our record since Christmas to think about which was relegation form on its own. 
 

Meh doesn’t come into. The odds favour relegation- and it’s got fizz all to do with what supporters on here think about to it. It’s the players that matter. 


Teams haven’t always gone down starting on minus points. It’s a fresh start for hopefully a refreshed squad. 
Looking back at previous seasons and taking 12 points off us means nothing. 
We won’t go down and I’ll stand by that. 

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Just now, robowl4life said:


Teams haven’t always gone down starting on minus points. It’s a fresh start for hopefully a refreshed squad. 
Looking back at previous seasons and taking 12 points off us means nothing. 
We won’t go down and I’ll stand by that. 

What it shows is how tough it’s going to be.  And working back from this season’s results it would take 13 games to get to zero. 
 

What makes you think staying up is a cert? 

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For a start I’m not sure if league 1 will even start next season! 
 

and to be thrown into league 1 with clubs like Sunderland, Hull, Ipswich, Portsmouth all trying to get out it won’t be that simple, maybe watch the Sunderland doc on Netflix, things could be worse for us 

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22 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

What it shows is how tough it’s going to be.  And working back from this season’s results it would take 13 games to get to zero. 
 

What makes you think staying up is a cert? 


Never mentioned about it being easy. I fully believe we’ll stay up. Looking back at past seasons changes nothing for the future. It’s a very average championship next season, it’s all to play for. I reckon we’ll finish around 18th. 

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I wrote a post a few seasons back about bottoming out and starting again in league 1. I got roasted and it was explained why.

 

Money is a problem for Wednesday and FFP. In league 1 there’s even less cash from TV and the league, we’d be even more screwed.

 

Stay in the championship, we will attract better youth at that level than league 1 ( like the man city lads, would they come to league 1??). We will have more FFP wriggle room as well.

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Yeah let's relegate ourselves to league one, be a reyt laugh down there, what with teams rolling over for us like they have in the past ...not

 

What could possibly go wrong with this brainwave!

 

As anyone mentioned it would be a good time to clear the decks and come back stronger bo***ks yet?

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7 hours ago, asteener1867 said:

I don't like Charlton, I don't mind Wigan, and the plethora of clubs inbetwixt and between I don't give a flyer for.

my only passion is Sheffield Wednesday...and that goes beyond football.

lets take it on the chin, not only that, but lets go a little further..Ask for the points to be deducted THIS season.

Lets drop, lets admit we have broken the rules and ask the EFL to reinstate Charlton or whoever seen fit.

Is there that much difference between a season in league 1 on a level playing field, than playing "catch up" in a league we are provenly weak in?

At least that way we actually GO for something, rather than AVOID something.

Some of the best atmospheres Ive been in at Hillsborough were the Carlisle and Wycombe games when we came back up ..Go for that again.

We can hold our hands up, unlike a multude of other clubs , accept the blow, take the moral high ground.

Football is broken, We can take a stand in trying to fix it, by doing what we ALL know is right..Lets be a f.ookin' Martyr.

If we were in the same position as Charlton, we would be bloody fuming..Lets be honest.

I have already paid into next season, and took the option for the money owed to pay into the season after, but the nasty taste in my mouth , left by the way we have done it, won't wash away...Take the hit...take a siege menatality and balls to everyone else....

For this we need the fans, and I know my exhortations may well fall on legions of deaf ears, but this could be the start of a long road back..but its a road that has to be paved with an honesty that is alien to modern day football....

"Guilty as charged"

"F.ook you ..We are The Wednesday....We will be back"

The fans are well capable of dragging this club back....Chansiri, if he has any good intentons needs to get on board...or simply leave ...I'm sick of being embarrassed by bloody law suits  when it should be footbal shirts...and writs when it should be kits...

 

 

We absolutely must take our punishment, but we mustn't double punish ourselves and become footballing martyrs.

 

We are not judge or jury, we've been found guilty and the punishment has been set by an independent team, as it should be.  We shouldn't ask for more or less unless we genuinely believe that there is a wrongful decision. 

 

I agree about the rest.  This is the most embarrassing point in my lifetime of supporting Wednesday.  Even during the dark days at the High Court, it followed years and years of cloth cutting to attempt to pay a debt.  We were honest traders doing our best to stick to the rules.  Now we look at rules as something to circumvent because they stand in the way of our success. Rules are for the little clubs, not us.

 

Look around our rented home that we once owned for nearly 120 years, it's all fake.   We are a real traditional club now standing on foundations of make-up and glitz, but scratch beneath the surface of SWFC 2020 and it's mainly an empty space where a footballing business once stood.   

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1 minute ago, Manwë said:

Now we look at rules as something to circumvent because they stand in the way of our success. Rules are for the little clubs, not us.

 

I'm not sure DC even knew the rules existed, until he broke them... 

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1 hour ago, Spacehooch said:

I wrote a post a few seasons back about bottoming out and starting again in league 1. I got roasted and it was explained why.

 

Money is a problem for Wednesday and FFP. In league 1 there’s even less cash from TV and the league, we’d be even more screwed.

 

Stay in the championship, we will attract better youth at that level than league 1 ( like the man city lads, would they come to league 1??). We will have more FFP wriggle room as well.

Who the hell is gonna wanna join us knowing we are going down?

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I'm baffled as to why anyone would suggest we should proactively ask to be relegated?! We have been punished and we have no option but to take it. Its not our fault the EFL took 9 months to sort it. They had plenty of time to implement the 12 point deduction this season. Since they screwed up let's take the positive of staying in the championship and have a crack at it. We have a better chance of signing better young and hungry players with a championship status than a league 1 status. 

 

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8 hours ago, Sultan_Pepper said:

Said the same thing this afternoon. If I have a choice of paying to watch an exciting season in league 1 with a young squad and a chance of promotion or watching us scrap around trying for the middle of the championship I think I'd rather watch league 1

My best guess is we will be fighting relegation next season, whichever league we’re in. Better doing it in the championship than league one.

The playing staff are spineless and the very few additions we’ll make won’t make any difference. Grim times ahead.

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8 hours ago, asteener1867 said:

I don't like Charlton, I don't mind Wigan, and the plethora of clubs inbetwixt and between I don't give a flyer for.

my only passion is Sheffield Wednesday...and that goes beyond football.

lets take it on the chin, not only that, but lets go a little further..Ask for the points to be deducted THIS season.

Lets drop, lets admit we have broken the rules and ask the EFL to reinstate Charlton or whoever seen fit.

Is there that much difference between a season in league 1 on a level playing field, than playing "catch up" in a league we are provenly weak in?

At least that way we actually GO for something, rather than AVOID something.

Some of the best atmospheres Ive been in at Hillsborough were the Carlisle and Wycombe games when we came back up ..Go for that again.

We can hold our hands up, unlike a multude of other clubs , accept the blow, take the moral high ground.

Football is broken, We can take a stand in trying to fix it, by doing what we ALL know is right..Lets be a f.ookin' Martyr.

If we were in the same position as Charlton, we would be bloody fuming..Lets be honest.

I have already paid into next season, and took the option for the money owed to pay into the season after, but the nasty taste in my mouth , left by the way we have done it, won't wash away...Take the hit...take a siege menatality and balls to everyone else....

For this we need the fans, and I know my exhortations may well fall on legions of deaf ears, but this could be the start of a long road back..but its a road that has to be paved with an honesty that is alien to modern day football....

"Guilty as charged"

"F.ook you ..We are The Wednesday....We will be back"

The fans are well capable of dragging this club back....Chansiri, if he has any good intentons needs to get on board...or simply leave ...I'm sick of being embarrassed by bloody law suits  when it should be footbal shirts...and writs when it should be kits...

 

 

fizz their rules.

 

Weirdest post yet.  Not sure if a complete pisstake...

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League 1 is a tough league and we’ve struggled there before. It wasn’t a pleasant experience really; the fact that we gained promotion over United masks how terrible it was down there IMO. 
 

I’d rather takes our chances in the Championship.  Our punishment has been given and we had no say in what and when it was; let’s just take it and now get on with things. 

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Lot less money coming in if we're in league 1. I also think the ffp restrictions are stricter so it's not like DC will get his wish of being able to put more money in. Pigs were down there fir 7 seasons, don't fancy that. Sunderland are a big club struggling down there, didn't even get into the playoffs last season. No guarantee league 1 will start. At the restart of the leagues the teams voted to not play, mainly for financial reasons I assume. No fans equals no income. Clubs could well go to the wall, ne'er mind Admin and start afresh with minus 12. No clubs to play, no league games. No league games no promotions. I know they've set a start date etc but it could all be out of the EFL's hands. 

 

I'll stick I think, too risky to twist at the moment for me. 

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