Ray Von shabba Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Road Runner said: They won't. They need as many teams as possible to start on minus points next season to give them a chance of survival. this............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 2 hours ago, DlNGLE said: We would have to but crazy not to, the knife is in, surely we’ve got to try and get it twisted. Especially with this Wigan b0ll0x Shouldn't you be far more focused on your open top bus parade and updating your honours board for staying up for once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Lincs Owl said: Instead of taking the mickey out of small clubs like Barnsley and Rotherham, we should be looking at how they manage to successfully operate within the rules. Something we can't do. Shef Wed aren't very good at producing footballers, but they apparently are good at turning average players and agents into millionaires. That's pretty easy for them to do because who would want to play for those yo-yo poo clubs? But seriously we need to look at the way numerous other clubs bring through youngsters, sell players on for a profit and then replace them with similar players on the rise. It's clubs like the likes of Brentford we should look at, that have progressed steadily on and off the pitch, due largely to smart recruitment. Otherwise many other clubs like Brentford will continue to pass us by but hopefully we will look to do things more sensibly and long term, if our clueless owner can learn from his mistakes. Edited August 2, 2020 by The Night-Owl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 On 01/08/2020 at 10:21, HighworthOwl said: The EFL and the board that gave the punishment should have made it clear from the very start that any punishment will be applied next season. Instead in keeping it quiet they have opened a massive can of worms. We broke the rules we have been punished that’s how it goes but in not making the process clear other clubs can rightly feel aggrieved. Why would have that made it easier if they let other clubs know earlier it wouldn't be applied til next season they would have been kicking off about it longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Why would have that made it easier if they let other clubs know earlier it wouldn't be applied til next season they would have been kicking off about it longer Surely it’s not difficult. Everybody’s accounts have to be submitted to EFL at the same time (like now for 18/19). EFL could easily have a plan laid out every year for clubs that go to an IDP. Set a date for the panel to sit, say pre Christmas with any penalty applied the same season. Seems our charge was different tho as DC did a counter charge on the EFL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 hours ago, DlNGLE said: Tomorrow morning I would have thought. 5 hours ago, DlNGLE said: Not a cat in hells chance, we’ll want it applying for the 2019/20 season, it’ll do you more damage that way, which will hopefully put other clubs off cheating, Charlton haven’t got a pot to Pi$S in, and are an absolute shambles on and off the pitch so having them in the Championship is like a head start anyway, if you go down you’ll have to trim the wage bill massively to comply with rules, plus some of your better players may have relegation release clauses in their contracts, relegation as potential to have you in as bigger bother as it has Sunderland & Ipswich. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Whether Wednesday, Barnsley or Wigan keep waitind decisions made in court, it shows that, instead of football falling into the hands of rich business men, out for a quick buck, the whole business of EFL has handed our beloved club and others into the hands of lawyers, barristers and the like instead. What a messed up sport we've become.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howards back Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Rogers said: do we still owe him for Rhodes? I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 No problem with Barnsley it's just a place where a lot of Wednesday fans live 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Cheating!!?? The whole P&S / FFP thing is a fix in itself. In no other walk of life does someone get penalised for spending their own money. Of course the majority of EFL chairman are going to vote to keep P&S - the majority of the league are small clubs like Barnsley who want to throttle us back to their level. It's the natural order of the world. We're the 4th biggest city in England with massive potential compared to the majority of the EFL. If somebody wants to invest in that, they shouldn't be held back so long as the debt is on their shoulders and not the club. Barnsley fans can convince themselves all they like that it's cheating but the truth is that we've been penalised for showing ambition against a corrupt system. You know ambition... that thing that drives humanity forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 10 hours ago, The Horse said: Cheating!!?? The whole P&S / FFP thing is a fix in itself. In no other walk of life does someone get penalised for spending their own money. Of course the majority of EFL chairman are going to vote to keep P&S - the majority of the league are small clubs like Barnsley who want to throttle us back to their level. It's the natural order of the world. We're the 4th biggest city in England with massive potential compared to the majority of the EFL. If somebody wants to invest in that, they shouldn't be held back so long as the debt is on their shoulders and not the club. Barnsley fans can convince themselves all they like that it's cheating but the truth is that we've been penalised for showing ambition against a corrupt system. You know ambition... that thing that drives humanity forward. Therein lies the problem. Of the current championship teams, how many would vote for relaxing / getting rid of PnS limits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMOwl72 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) Bournemouth should face a points deduction now they are back in the EFL having totally ignored the FFP rules in the season they got promoted to the Prem. They gambled and won basically. The EFL ended up fining them a paltry £4.5m - pin money to a PL club. Now they are back they should start on -9 but of course they won’t. Edited August 3, 2020 by GMOwl72 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essix Blue Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, GMOwl72 said: Bournemouth should face a points deduction now they are back in the EFL having totally ignored the FFP rules in the season they got promoted to the Prem. They gambled and won basically. The EFL ended up fining them a paltry £4.5m - pin money to a PL club. Now they are back they should start on -9 but of course they won’t. I’m guessing there’s a list of similar clubs. QPR for one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 23 hours ago, DlNGLE said: Not a cat in hells chance, we’ll want it applying for the 2019/20 season, it’ll do you more damage that way, which will hopefully put other clubs off cheating, Charlton haven’t got a pot to Pi$S in, and are an absolute shambles on and off the pitch so having them in the Championship is like a head start anyway, if you go down you’ll have to trim the wage bill massively to comply with rules, plus some of your better players may have relegation release clauses in their contracts, relegation as potential to have you in as bigger bother as it has Sunderland & Ipswich. The shambolic Charlton who you're having so much of a head start on that it took until injury time on the final game of the season for you to edge a point ahead of? You were the third worse team in the league over the season, relegation fodder that got reprieved because of another club's deduction. Is that not enough for you? Surely a poor side like us starting on -12 benefits you next season in your latest relegation scrap. Plus with Leeds going up losing us as well will cost your club money as you almost double your normal ticket prices when we come to town and fill the away end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 14 hours ago, The Horse said: Cheating!!?? The whole P&S / FFP thing is a fix in itself. In no other walk of life does someone get penalised for spending their own money. Of course the majority of EFL chairman are going to vote to keep P&S - the majority of the league are small clubs like Barnsley who want to throttle us back to their level. It's the natural order of the world. We're the 4th biggest city in England with massive potential compared to the majority of the EFL. If somebody wants to invest in that, they shouldn't be held back so long as the debt is on their shoulders and not the club. Barnsley fans can convince themselves all they like that it's cheating but the truth is that we've been penalised for showing ambition against a corrupt system. You know ambition... that thing that drives humanity forward. Absolutely right. I've got a mate who's a pig fan. He says there's no way they would be in the prem if it wasn't for P&S as wealthier clubs would have blown them away if they were allowed to spend what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DlNGLE Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 7 hours ago, alanharper said: The shambolic Charlton who you're having so much of a head start on that it took until injury time on the final game of the season for you to edge a point ahead of? You were the third worse team in the league over the season, relegation fodder that got reprieved because of another club's deduction. Is that not enough for you? Surely a poor side like us starting on -12 benefits you next season in your latest relegation scrap. Plus with Leeds going up losing us as well will cost your club money as you almost double your normal ticket prices when we come to town and fill the away end. One. we gave Charlton a head start, Due to having a head coach who was out of his depth, and having a 14 new signings last summer, and still caught them. Two, second half of season we was in top 10 form. Three, you do know crowds are not allowed in stadiums don’t you. Four, Wensdeh going down as the potential to do them some real damage, why wouldn’t our club want that ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, DlNGLE said: One. we gave Charlton a head start, Due to having a head coach who was out of his depth, and having a 14 new signings last summer, and still caught them. Two, second half of season we was in top 10 form. Three, you do know crowds are not allowed in stadiums don’t you. Four, Wensdeh going down as the potential to do them some real damage, why wouldn’t our club want that ?. Five, actually typing "Wensdeh" makes you look a right dipstick. Form table for the second half of the season shows you as being 13th, not top ten. And at the end of the day nothing changes the fact that you were in the bottom three teams at the end of the season based on points won, and you were only reprieved because of the bizarre situation at Wigan and their automatic points deduction. If you'd rather Wednesday go down now rather than give you a much higher chance of saving yourselves next season, that says it all about you, I doubt your club agrees - especially if fans are allowed back in the second half of the season and you have us at home to bump up your ticket prices for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beighton Owl 87 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 39 minutes ago, DlNGLE said: Four, Wensdeh going down as the potential to do them some real damage, why wouldn’t our club want that ?. What the fizz is that? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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