metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Ahhh mate... I really feel for you feels a bit like you’re answering someone else’s posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, metaframe said: Go into Administration - stuff over suppliers, government, local people and staff = 12 points breach p&s for 1 year on a technicality around ground sale, no actual financial harm done to nation or locality = 12 points it’s not right. This did cross my mind the other day, I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Thems the rules though. It is the question of whether clubs should be punished for spending too much of their own money, but then it is the clubs who signed up to said rules. Personally, I think FFP has more to do with trying to maintain a status quo than it does ensuring sensible financing within football, but here we are. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I thought that the possible punishment was unlimited? Think you're going to have a busy day on here today. I'm off to Weston Park for some fresh air and an ice cream. Horses LOVE ice cream. You should get one of these for yourself and all the mods today though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, BIG D said: This did cross my mind the other day, I agree in fact, you could argue that he is bringing funds from outside the U.K. into the U.K. economy rather than effectively stealing money from the taxpayer and the local folk in Wigan it’s nothing to do with being a fan — it’s just common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 While I think the decision is wrong, those are the rules. I said all along we've done nothing wrong, this aspect we were cleared of. The only way we were going to be punished is if the commission found the transaction was not appropriate in terms of dates for the specified years accounts. While accepted accounting practice and lawful, they decided not so for P&S purposes. I think there is enough mitigation to seek an appeal to reduce the points deduction, or have a portion suspended. While its disappointing, we've dodged a bullit this season re relegation which would have been catastrophic. The plus side if there is one, is that should we choose to put the £38m profit from the stadium sale in the following years accounts, gives us plenty of scope now to invest in the squad. Consolidate next season and have a real go at promotion the season after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I thought that the possible punishment was unlimited? I'd be surprised if it was. Surely there's a limit with any official punishment to help prevent circumstances like victimisation or bias... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 The unlimited part likely just aligns with how much someone puts in “illegally”. if someone came and pumped a billion into a club, they could fine them inline with that. unless Man City then it’s all ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy bunny Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Apologies if i've missed this but........... Does the ground sale go ahead still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 Just now, happy bunny said: Apologies if i've missed this but........... Does the ground sale go ahead still? Yeah it just hits the next year accounts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy bunny Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 minute ago, metaframe said: Yeah it just hits the next year accounts Thanks, so in essence we could really go for it next season Focus on overhauling the squad and build a team capable of fighting for promotion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4evaowl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, metaframe said: Go into Administration - stuff over suppliers, government, local people and staff = 12 points breach p&s for 1 year on a technicality around ground sale, no actual financial harm done to nation or locality = 12 points it’s not right. P&S has many flaws but at its core is there to ensure clubs are protected in part from going bust, and tries to stop clubs getting an unfair advantage on others by attracting better players with money that they haven’t got. To overspend is cheating the competition we are in under the rules, so serious. I’d agree though that it is probably less serious than Administration that is a blight on creditors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birstall Owl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, SiJ said: Thems the rules though. It is the question of whether clubs should be punished for spending too much of their own money, but then it is the clubs who signed up to said rules. Personally, I think FFP has more to do with trying to maintain a status quo than it does ensuring sensible financing within football, but here we are. FFP has always been about that, maybe not a Championship level but the cartel of traditional clubs United, Liverpool, Barca, Bayern, Real, Milan were unhappy with new kids on the block like PSG, Chelsea, City. FFP was brought in to stop another one of these that threatens their place at the top table 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 And that’s the point. If those things attract the same punishment then hugely overspending For a season to the point of bankruptcy then taking a pre pack admin is now hugely attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_D Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, james o connor said: What’s not right is justify than half wit ‘running’ our club . Got what we deserved and it’s just the tip of the iceberg where this joker is concerned Honourable men don't break the rules, or so I thought. Maybe he is not as honourable as some think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ian_D said: Honourable men don't break the rules, or so I thought. Maybe he is not as honourable as some think. That’s a separate point to mine though. it’s not about our guilt or otherwise. Just that the punishments aren’t aligned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, 4evaowl said: P&S has many flaws but at its core is there to ensure clubs are protected in part from going bust, and tries to stop clubs getting an unfair advantage on others by attracting better players with money that they haven’t got. To overspend is cheating the competition we are in under the rules, so serious. I’d agree though that it is probably less serious than Administration that is a blight on creditors. But, according to Martin Samuel, we do have it. It's just that unfairly we're not allowed to spend it. Yet the parachute clubs are gifted brass and can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 Quite but I just don’t get the weird cabal of people here almost happy we are punished and find it funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 2 hours ago, metaframe said: Go into Administration - stuff over suppliers, government, local people and staff = 12 points breach p&s for 1 year on a technicality around ground sale, no actual financial harm done to nation or locality = 12 points it’s not right. Doesnt matter. We know the rules. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Athelwulf said: But, according to Martin Samuel, we do have it. It's just that unfairly we're not allowed to spend it. Yet the parachute clubs are gifted brass and can. Other teams manage it and get promoted. Get over it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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