Popular Post metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2020 Go into Administration - stuff over suppliers, government, local people and staff = 12 points breach p&s for 1 year on a technicality around ground sale, no actual financial harm done to nation or locality = 12 points it’s not right. 8 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post james o connor Posted August 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2020 What’s not right is justify than half wit ‘running’ our club . Got what we deserved and it’s just the tip of the iceberg where this joker is concerned 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonowl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, metaframe said: Go into Administration - stuff over suppliers, government, local people and staff = 12 points breach p&s for 1 year on a technicality around ground sale, no actual financial harm done to nation or locality = 12 points it’s not right. I agree, and that why I think it will be reduced to six.on appeal. The other badly runs clubs Wigan and Charlton will then have to get back in their boxes and life will go on. Ie SWFC being ruined by a stubborn bloke who has completely misplaced idea that he knows how to run a football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Barnsley are still owed money from Hull who havent paid part of a transfer fee, for me that's far worse than anything Chansiri has done! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 I think the punishment would have been 9 points like Birmingham's if we had come clean at the start. Always going to be inconsistent with punishment. No court system ever invented is consistent with punishment it hands out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 It was always going to be a minimum of 12 points, once we were found guilty. It could have been a lot worse, a stiffer penalty and one that could have been imposed this season Once people calm down, I’m sure most will see this as being, as good as we could reasonably expect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Just now, gurujuan said: It was always going to be a minimum of 12 points, once we were found guilty. It could have been a lot worse, a stiffer penalty and one that could have been imposed this season Once people calm down, I’m sure most will see this as being, as good as we could reasonably expect its the maximum punishment for the charge we were found guilty of! The charge we weren't found guilty of had a maximum punishment of 9 points! That's where the 21 points comes from! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Just now, jonnyowl said: its the maximum punishment for the charge we were found guilty of! I thought that the possible punishment was unlimited? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 If we have broke the rules then so be it. Will interesting to see if the club believes it has grounds to appeal the decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0wl18 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 47 minutes ago, metaframe said: Go into Administration - stuff over suppliers, government, local people and staff = 12 points breach p&s for 1 year on a technicality around ground sale, no actual financial harm done to nation or locality = 12 points it’s not right. Aww poor us. It’s such an injustice that we’ve been handed a 12 point deduction for, breaching rules we’ve continuously attempted to circumvent. The rules are clear for all to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyowl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I thought that the possible punishment was unlimited? Think it could be an unlimited fine depending on how much you break FFP, obviously the commision decided not to impose one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Just now, jonnyowl said: Think it could be an unlimited fine depending on how much you break FFP, obviously the commision decided not to impose one! I thought it was an unlimited points punishment too Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 You’re missing the point most of you. One financially affects Chansiri, the other stiffs the local and national economy and the tax payer. I don’t really get the “haha we deserve it” nonsense — pig infiltration warning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, metaframe said: You’re missing the point most of you. One financially affects Chansiri, the other stiffs the local and national economy and the tax payer. I don’t really get the “haha we deserve it” nonsense — pig infiltration warning. I always sigh when I read comments like this It's like the weakest thing anyone could ever post 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0wl18 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, metaframe said: You’re missing the point most of you. One financially affects Chansiri, the other stiffs the local and national economy and the tax payer. I don’t really get the “haha we deserve it” nonsense — pig infiltration warning. P+S was brought in to prevent clubs continuously going into admin and getting a fresh start. Clubs failing to comply with that, regardless of the owners wealth, should be punished accordingly. What’s your solution? 50000 point deduction for admin? Truth be told there’s usually a lot of factors which result in admin. In Wigan’s case the EFL look to have facilitated it for crying out loud! Would you be showing such a moral outrage if we’d not been handed a 12 point deduction? Of course you would. Edited August 1, 2020 by 0wl18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shez owl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 We’ve broken 3 year p&s rule so I expect to be punished, but I also expect to be punished the same as other clubs for the same offence. (Birmingham) Then we are all on the same playing field. Just like with going into admin. I also expect that those clubs who previously broke the rules and are now re-entering membership of the efl be punished retrospectively. (Bournemouth) This will make the efl well run organisation and fair. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I always sigh when I read comments like this It's like the weakest thing anyone could ever post You genuinely believe there’s no united fans on the site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincs Owl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, metaframe said: You’re missing the point most of you. One financially affects Chansiri, the other stiffs the local and national economy and the tax payer. I don’t really get the “haha we deserve it” nonsense — pig infiltration warning. It's not nonsense though is it? The rules are there for a reason and would have been agreed by EFL clubs at the AGM. If we just got a token punishment of 6 points or under it would encourage other clubs to overspend, and risk bankruptcy, in their attempt to reach the Prem. Sky are advertising Bees v Fulham at the £170 million game. So we've finished up with rich foreign investors like Chansiri, with little knowledge or love of the club they own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 minute ago, metaframe said: You genuinely believe there’s no united fans on the site Ahhh mate... I really feel for you Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaframe Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 Or it will encourage clubs to do a pre-pack administration and a chance to start over from scratch with very little inbound investment management needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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