Whitechapel Owl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Blue and white said: How are they relegated fairly, we have spent millions upon millions to gain an advantage and have been found guilty of doing so. If the shoe was on the other foot to right we would be appealing and rightly so. Yes, agree, although appealing isn't the right word, they won't be able to appeal today's decision, they'll have to go down a legal route. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 It won’t affect us in my opinion. The legal challenge is against the Football League. I believe that no court in the country will impose a change in punishment on us if the case is against another party (i.e. the EFL). My guess is that financial compensation is the only legal recourse for Charlton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitechapel Owl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, shandypants said: It won’t affect us in my opinion. The legal challenge is against the Football League. I believe that no court in the country will impose a change in punishment on us if the case is against another party (i.e. the EFL). My guess is that financial compensation is the only legal recourse for Charlton. Yeah, and there simply isn't enough time to turn the decision around either. If they take this all the way it probably won't even be resolve this calendar year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 If our useless bunch of wasters had managed to string a few more wins together instead of pathetic performances and results this appeal by Charlton wouldn’t be happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 minute ago, WalthamOwl said: If our useless bunch of wasters had managed to string a few more wins together instead of pathetic performances and results this appeal by Charlton wouldn’t be happening. Charlton can’t appeal the decision. They weren’t involved in the legal proceedings for our case. All Charlton can do is launch a legal bid against the EFL on some grounds that they were disadvantaged by the decision. If the court rules in Charlton’s favour then they’ll seek some form of redress - probably financial or (my guess is in a rare event) reinstatement to the Championship (which would then have to be a 25 team competition). My further guess is that Chansiri’s legal team is figuring out how SWFC can appeal without bringing about the potential for a harsher punishment for us - something like “we accept a points deduction next season but we think 12 points is too harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 One common denominator in all this for both clubs. Katrien Meire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past Member Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Rogers said: it’s only an opinion but.. The logic is that we overspent (and broke the rules) to improve performance on the pitch over a period of time, where Charlton weren’t even in the same competition. We’ve spent fizz all in the past 1-2 seasons. We didn’t break the rules this season, no advantage was gained this season. Charlton have only played in the Championship this season and lost more fame than they won. Sour grapes It’s not our fault that the EFL have a system that essentially takes 3 years for punishment to be imposed. We’ve had numerous transfer embargo’s as punishment during these 3 years also. Apart from the fact, players on massive wages bought during those years were pivotal in gaining us enough to stay up this season (Fletcher). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialist_Owl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Blue and white said: How are they relegated fairly, we have spent millions upon millions to gain an advantage and have been found guilty of doing so. If the shoe was on the other foot to right we would be appealing and rightly so. Spending more is not illegal. Sure, there are ridiculously subjective reasons (FFP) why you might not be able to spend over some subjective amount, but that's not germane here. There's a reason why the Pigs had no case when whining about Tevez. All this is subjective hypothetical. And you're not entitled any aggrievement over a possibility. Edited August 1, 2020 by Socialist_Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonLeon Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 2 hours ago, quinnssweetshop said: One common denominator in all this for both clubs. Katrien Meire Or Nicky Weaver Or Morgan Fox Or Rhoys Wiggins Or Majid Bougherra I could go on. Point being individuals have no bearing on the current incarnation of Charlton taking legal action against this decision. And specifically Katrien Meire was exonerated of all the charges against her in March. I’d hazard a guess that she had very little to do with the failed backdated ground sale here too considering she wasn’t at the club when it happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnssweetshop Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, NeonLeon said: Or Nicky Weaver Or Morgan Fox Or Rhoys Wiggins Or Majid Bougherra I could go on. Point being individuals have no bearing on the current incarnation of Charlton taking legal action against this decision. And specifically Katrien Meire was exonerated of all the charges against her in March. I’d hazard a guess that she had very little to do with the failed backdated ground sale here too considering she wasn’t at the club when it happened. I never said she was the one to blame. However, it is sad for both clubs that they are on the brink after stewardship of this person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsHall Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 FK Charlton, fk the Dingles. UTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 5 hours ago, shandypants said: It won’t affect us in my opinion. The legal challenge is against the Football League. I believe that no court in the country will impose a change in punishment on us if the case is against another party (i.e. the EFL). My guess is that financial compensation is the only legal recourse for Charlton. See Sheffield United Vs West Ham re: Tevez. Although it didn't go to court and was settled just before the court date, it cost West Ham £18m. That was a club directly taking on another club despite the latter being punished by the EPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeshater Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Expected this I would imagine we would appeal our -12 points and may get 3 suspended. Charlton's gripe is with the EFL and won't affect us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Rogers said: Works both ways, We fail to understand that a breach of laws committed in 2017/2018 has anything to do with Charlton Athletic as they played their Football in League One from 2016 to 2019. .I expected them to kick off it's their last throw of the dice, however that's a great point that tbh I'd overlooked this has feck all to do with them, this is a 'rule break' concerning seasons they weren't even in our division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) This entire "final episode" is contrived IMO and whilst I'm thankful we aren't relegated this season it seems blatantly obvious to me that we knew in advance that our league status was not in doubt this season, that couldn't have been any more obvious than the way we went about our remaining fixtures. Its fairer to apply the penalty to the period in which the offense took place IMO and we pay back the small amount of extra prize money we received for league placing. It's a grubby mess, no party involved looks good. Edited August 1, 2020 by Morepork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Socialist_Owl said: There's a reason why the Pigs had no case when whining about Tevez They did have a case, and they received up to £25m from it. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1676007/Football-vs-the-law-Sheffield-Utd-and-the-Carlos-Tevez-case.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsdreamer Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 10 hours ago, bigdan2003 said: Desperation Their not as desperate as I and most others feel right now All what will happen is that our relegation as been put back 1 year. Thanks DC for totally fukking up our club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 10 hours ago, Avon barksdale said: Best hire Di Marco never lost a case apparently , oh wait !!!! Thats a first for us , its usually a losing streak we break ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 From reading the account from the EFL the only thing we did wrong was to put the money we got from selling the ground into the wrong year's accounts everything else, the selling of the ground, the amount we sold it for was alright. Question is why wasn't it picked up earlier and who told the club it would be alright? Also reading through some of the threads and posts on here putting money from sales etc in different years accounts seems to be standard practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 10 hours ago, doubleo said: Fast losing interest in the game. Complete mess caused by money. As fans we have to worry about too many financial elements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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