Chansiri in or out?

[@owlstalk]

Just now, Weshallovercome said:

 

Before deciding the best cause of action it's always advisable to look at the facts.......wishes very rarely come true anyway.

 

Not entirely sure what I'm getting at here, didn't type out as profoundly as it sounded in me head......

 

 

 

 

I THINK i know what you meant

[Elderly Owl]

8 hours ago, owls maniac said:

It’s actually scandalous that we allow this to happen. Rich people can come in and split a club that belongs to the community from its main asset. 
 

If Chansiri is prepared to boot us out of our 120 year home then it doesn’t say much about his suitability to run our club, does it? 

But it doesn’t belong to the “community”, it belongs to Mr Chansiri - because he paid a lot of money for it and continues to do so. ( him being rich and all)
No, he hasn’t said he will “boot us out” of anywhere either- it was an hypothesis.

 

You’re in shock mate! I suggest a brandy or something- a St Bernard full should do the trick!

 

[DJMortimer]

10 hours ago, timrud said:

To think people seriously wanted geoff sheard in and they want chansiri out.

 

DC will keep supporting the club and ha shown he learns from his mistakes. We've not spent big for 2 seasons now.

 

It's entirely clear that the financial circumstances following the first reckless couple of seasons gave him little choice. In fact, it could just as easily be interpreted as someone who had no idea what to do when the spend or bust 'strategy' failed. His administration of the club so far has been little short of catastrophic (in football terms). Following a couple of seasons of coming close to success it has been a non-stop steady decline. Not only do we now have a very significant points penalty to overcome next season, we will have to do it with a squad that is currently bereft of quality and lacking in depth. And who knows what resources we will have to re-stock it? We've already seen previously that we usually find out about transfer embargoes only after they have been lifted.

 

Anyone who is not angered and sickened by the incompetence from the boardroom simply bemuses me. My club has tried cheating the system (others doing so is not a defence to me) and we have made an arse of that too. I don't care what other supporters think, but that bothers me and I'm sure a lot of others. And it could lead to us ending up in League One for the third time in the last two decades after managing that feat just once prior in our entire history. 

 

That said, we have little choice. We are stuck with Chansiri in all but the most unlikely circumstances and we have to steel ourselves for the fight. But that doesn't mean I have to like him. Maybe in time he can rescue his reputation, but he's got a long, long way to go.

 

 

Edited August 1, 2020 by DJMortimer

[Spondon Owl]

10 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

It's entirely clear that the financial circumstances following the first reckless couple of seasons gave him little choice. In fact, it could just as easily be interpreted as someone who had no idea what to do when the spend or bust 'strategy' failed. His administration of the club so far has been little short of catastrophic (in football terms). Following a couple of seasons of coming close to success it has been a non-stop steady decline. Not only do we now have a very significant points penalty to overcome next season, we will have to do it with a squad that is currently bereft of quality and lacking in depth. And who knows what resources we will have to re-stock it? We've already seen previously that we usually find out about transfer embargoes only after they have been lifted.

 

Anyone who is not angered and sickened by the incompetence from the boardroom simply bemuses me. My club has tried cheating the system (others doing so is not a defence to me) and we have made an arse of that too. I don't care what other supporters think, but that bothers me and I'm sure a lot of others. And it could lead to us ending up in League One for the third time in the last two decades after managing that feat just once prior in our entire history. 

 

That said, we have little choice. We are stuck with Chansiri in all but the most unlikely circumstances and we have to steel ourselves for the fight. But that doesn't mean I have to like him. Maybe in time he can rescue his reputation, but he's got a long, long way to go.

 

 

Good overview of probably most fans current thoughts. I truly hope he has learnt from his mistakes. And this was a big one.

[Sgt Wednesday]

He's made mistakes, he's made a bit of a mess of things.

 

He's put us here, so go and put it right.

 

 

[DJMortimer]

14 minutes ago, Sgt Wednesday said:

...he's made a bit of a mess of things.

 

Do they actually have a Nobel Prize for understatement?

 

[Sgt Wednesday]

1 hour ago, DJMortimer said:

 

Do they actually have a Nobel Prize for understatement?

 

 

Most of us were desperate to get an owner with a bit of money to spend, it was decent for 2 seasons.

 

We then over spent chasing the dream, we now know that was the wrong approach, hindsight is amazing.

 

Only SWFC can miss a point deduction for avoiding going into administration for being skint to then get a point deduction for overspending.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shezza]

2 hours ago, Spondon Owl said:

Good overview of probably most fans current thoughts. I truly hope he has learnt from his mistakes. And this was a big one.

Don’t get your hopes up. He’d learnt nothing so far. A spoilt rich boy with no business acumen. We are f*****. 
 

Sooner or later the people earning his money will stop him spending. Then what?

Edited August 1, 2020 by Shezza

[owls maniac]

2 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

 

It's entirely clear that the financial circumstances following the first reckless couple of seasons gave him little choice. In fact, it could just as easily be interpreted as someone who had no idea what to do when the spend or bust 'strategy' failed. His administration of the club so far has been little short of catastrophic (in football terms). Following a couple of seasons of coming close to success it has been a non-stop steady decline. Not only do we now have a very significant points penalty to overcome next season, we will have to do it with a squad that is currently bereft of quality and lacking in depth. And who knows what resources we will have to re-stock it? We've already seen previously that we usually find out about transfer embargoes only after they have been lifted.

 

Anyone who is not angered and sickened by the incompetence from the boardroom simply bemuses me. My club has tried cheating the system (others doing so is not a defence to me) and we have made an arse of that too. I don't care what other supporters think, but that bothers me and I'm sure a lot of others. And it could lead to us ending up in League One for the third time in the last two decades after managing that feat just once prior in our entire history. 

 

That said, we have little choice. We are stuck with Chansiri in all but the most unlikely circumstances and we have to steel ourselves for the fight. But that doesn't mean I have to like him. Maybe in time he can rescue his reputation, but he's got a long, long way to go.

 

 

Post of the thread. 
 

Im absolutely livid. And quite disappointed that a large section of our fan base don’t seem to be. 

[scram]

Bit of a misnomer of a title really

 

It's up to DC whether he stays or goes - not us

 

SWFC is his - if we like it or not matters not a jot

 

It is his toy, his plaything, maybe his passion or maybe his demon

 

But in typical football binary fashion the myopia of fans is utterly palpable - i know i'll get shredded for this but i don't care a bit

 

If anybody (such as myself) was urging caution while we were splashing the cash, playing sexy football and getting within an inch of the premier then they were soundly drowned out by the cacophony of adoring fans - you know, the ones that rounded on me when i merely suggested it was bizarre for us to holding a silence for the Premiere of DC's homeland - that type of thing...IN DC WE TRUST (etc)

 

But lets park that and take it in the round - as ever in football it is either 100% success or 100% failure

 

It has been neither

 

I suppose the really incomprehensible fact is that we received no sanction for not paying tax and winding up in the courts - but have received a damning points penalty for the owner of the club spending money he blatantly has available!

 

Rules are rules....i get it....nonsense and BS, but hey ho...

 

We are not Bury, we are not Wigan who must surely feel nervous for their existence - small mercies, but lets be thankful that we still have a club

 

The governing bodies are so inept that it's likely that twinned with the pandemic there could be lots of clubs going to the wall -  we will not be one of those

 

Again, small mercies

 

Bottom line - fans wanted us to chuck around cash - we did. It didn't work and now we have to retreat to the cave and lick our wounds but we are still alive and can return to the ring . Sadly some can't and others will follow

 

I'm in the small camp of minus 12 in the champ is crushingly worse that level points in league 1 - but regardless of either it is not down to us to now try to dictate who owns the club - it's been bought and sold lock stock and barrel 

 

I don't think Chansirir is the devil - far from it

 

i think he has been used and he has been niaive - but that is not a crime

 

The crime will be if we carry on drifting aimlessly with seemingly knee jerk reactions and poor choices

 

He is supposed to be smart and savvy - then now is the time to prove it by either taking control and sorting things out - or appointing those that have the knowledge and insight to do so

[DJMortimer]

2 hours ago, Sgt Wednesday said:

 

...we now know that was the wrong approach, hindsight is amazing.

 

You say that as if the risks weren't known until now. I'm sure plenty were advising caution at the time. And a lot more would have placed some faith in the chairman knowing what he was doing but had they known the truth then would have been extremely alarmed.

[Kopparberg]

If we don’t appeal the points deduction, then if I were him, I’d come out and say sorry. 

 

It would go a long way. 

 

It’s what frustrates me the most about him - a lack of awareness. 

 

We’ll probably get a “we will stick together and fight to stay up” speech... 

 

But also, a “Sorry” wouldn’t tie in for me with £60 shirts and £42 match tickets... it’s all the same to me, failing the fans and mugging off the fans, it’s still treating us with contempt. 

 

Any fans meeting with him has been on the whole, pointless... neither party learns anything, we just continued the slide. 

[ChinaOwl]

19 hours ago, Lincs Owl said:

Get him out?

 

He's a businesman.  Suppose he sells the club and keeps the ground, which he owns separately, and charges us a sky high rent to recoup a few millions of what he's lost so far.   Then what do we do?     Don't laugh- it happened to Charlton and they had years away from the Valley.

 

Has anyone thought of that?

 

Have you ever thought how it is going to be possible to find a buyer that would purchase the club without the ground being part of the deal? And if they did so, that they would not agree terms for use of the ground beforehand? They would be pretty stupid if they did not deal with the matters you say before finalizing transfer of ownership. 

[Spondon Owl]

6 hours ago, scram said:

Bit of a misnomer of a title really

 

It's up to DC whether he stays or goes - not us

 

SWFC is his - if we like it or not matters not a jot

 

It is his toy, his plaything, maybe his passion or maybe his demon

 

But in typical football binary fashion the myopia of fans is utterly palpable - i know i'll get shredded for this but i don't care a bit

 

If anybody (such as myself) was urging caution while we were splashing the cash, playing sexy football and getting within an inch of the premier then they were soundly drowned out by the cacophony of adoring fans - you know, the ones that rounded on me when i merely suggested it was bizarre for us to holding a silence for the Premiere of DC's homeland - that type of thing...IN DC WE TRUST (etc)

 

But lets park that and take it in the round - as ever in football it is either 100% success or 100% failure

 

It has been neither

 

I suppose the really incomprehensible fact is that we received no sanction for not paying tax and winding up in the courts - but have received a damning points penalty for the owner of the club spending money he blatantly has available!

 

Rules are rules....i get it....nonsense and BS, but hey ho...

 

We are not Bury, we are not Wigan who must surely feel nervous for their existence - small mercies, but lets be thankful that we still have a club

 

The governing bodies are so inept that it's likely that twinned with the pandemic there could be lots of clubs going to the wall -  we will not be one of those

 

Again, small mercies

 

Bottom line - fans wanted us to chuck around cash - we did. It didn't work and now we have to retreat to the cave and lick our wounds but we are still alive and can return to the ring . Sadly some can't and others will follow

 

I'm in the small camp of minus 12 in the champ is crushingly worse that level points in league 1 - but regardless of either it is not down to us to now try to dictate who owns the club - it's been bought and sold lock stock and barrel 

 

I don't think Chansirir is the devil - far from it

 

i think he has been used and he has been niaive - but that is not a crime

 

The crime will be if we carry on drifting aimlessly with seemingly knee jerk reactions and poor choices

 

He is supposed to be smart and savvy - then now is the time to prove it by either taking control and sorting things out - or appointing those that have the knowledge and insight to do so

Top post Scram. Very considered. 

 

We're still here. Still able to fight. And that we shall.

[bubbleowl]

Cant understand why people are worried about him selling the club but keeping the stadium. Surely by selling to himself nothing changes, he owned hillsborough anyway if he sold it to a 3rd party i could understand peoples worry but he sold it to himself so what changes?

On chansiri i like many others think his time here is coming to an end, the problem is who would buy us for the money chansiri wants. We could end up with some dodgy chancers like wigan and charlton had, our all situation is so depressing but thats life WAWAW!

[Blue and white]

24 minutes ago, bubbleowl said:

Cant understand why people are worried about him selling the club but keeping the stadium. Surely by selling to himself nothing changes, he owned hillsborough anyway if he sold it to a 3rd party i could understand peoples worry but he sold it to himself so what changes?

On chansiri i like many others think his time here is coming to an end, the problem is who would buy us for the money chansiri wants. We could end up with some dodgy chancers like wigan and charlton had, our all situation is so depressing but thats life WAWAW!

And considering he has paid the 60m for it, it's just been a paper exercise so far.

[Sgt Wednesday]

9 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

 

You say that as if the risks weren't known until now. I'm sure plenty were advising caution at the time. And a lot more would have placed some faith in the chairman knowing what he was doing but had they known the truth then would have been extremely alarmed.

 

But

 

If we had gained promotion at any point then it wouldn't have mattered and no one would have cared.

 

We took a gamble, if it comes off then you are a legend, if it fails then you have to regroup.

 

I am not surprised to see you at the head of the witch-hunt but what we need now is consolidation and to come together as a club.

 

We have a scrap on our hands next season, we have a better chance if we are in it together.

 

 

[Manwë]

4 hours ago, bubbleowl said:

Cant understand why people are worried about him selling the club but keeping the stadium. Surely by selling to himself nothing changes, he owned hillsborough anyway if he sold it to a 3rd party i could understand peoples worry but he sold it to himself so what changes?

On chansiri i like many others think his time here is coming to an end, the problem is who would buy us for the money chansiri wants. We could end up with some dodgy chancers like wigan and charlton had, our all situation is so depressing but thats life WAWAW!

Google Ken Booth, Rotherham, Millmoor.

 

Just a few short miles from Hillsborough the owner took the ground and the club owed him rent.  As part of the agreement, Rotherham had to pay £200k a year (2004) despite running up a £3m debt under Booth, give Booth dozens of free tickets, sponsorship, FA Cup Final tickets, and Rotherham had to maintain the ground.

 

Rotherham fell behind in their repayments to their former owner and were ejected from their home.

 

At Brighton, they sold their ground to their chairman after running up debts with that chairman in charge.  The chairman then booted Brighton out and made tonnes of cash selling the land for houses.

 

Nowt to worry about then.  

 

Perhaps I'm scaremongering by picking out extreme examples, but they are real and genuine examples of what can happen and people need to be less naive about Hillsborough transferring out of the club to another party.  

 

Chansiri may have some money, but I suspect almost all of it comes from his family. One day, that family might have a word with him about his spending and the returns.

[DJMortimer]

1 hour ago, Sgt Wednesday said:

 

I am not surprised to see you at the head of the witch-hunt...

 

Deary me. Yet more 'them' and 'us' lip trembling. Give yourself a badge.

 

You're right of course that no one would have cared too much if the gamble had paid off, but it's beyond stupid to not give some consideration to what happens if it goes wrong. Would you go into a casino and bet everything you have on the first spin of the wheel, giddy about what you'll do with all the winnings and not wonder about where you'll live if it doesn't come up. We're hardly the first club to be in this position so it's not like there wasn't a precedent. I can't understand why someone would be so blase about such recklessness.

 

But we certainly do need to steel ourselves for the fight as there is no alternative.

[bubbleowl]

1 hour ago, Manwë said:

Google Ken Booth, Rotherham, Millmoor.

 

Just a few short miles from Hillsborough the owner took the ground and the club owed him rent.  As part of the agreement, Rotherham had to pay £200k a year (2004) despite running up a £3m debt under Booth, give Booth dozens of free tickets, sponsorship, FA Cup Final tickets, and Rotherham had to maintain the ground.

 

Rotherham fell behind in their repayments to their former owner and were ejected from their home.

 

At Brighton, they sold their ground to their chairman after running up debts with that chairman in charge.  The chairman then booted Brighton out and made tonnes of cash selling the land for houses.

 

Nowt to worry about then.  

 

Perhaps I'm scaremongering by picking out extreme examples, but they are real and genuine examples of what can happen and people need to be less naive about Hillsborough transferring out of the club to another party.  

 

Chansiri may have some money, but I suspect almost all of it comes from his family. One day, that family might have a word with him about his spending and the returns.

I understand where your coming from but all im saying is he already owned hillsborough before the 60 million sell to himself ploy, if he chose to sell the ground before he could have done so. My feeling is all he was trying to do was get around ffp which seriously backfired