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BREAKING NEWS - EFL VERDICT - 12 POINTS

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Chansiri is a bit like Trump  - there's always another person or organisation to blame. Jordan Rhodes - the fans. The P&S charges - Steve Gibson. Being found guilty - arbitrary decision making by the "independent" panel. The fact we've been mismanaged so much we had to sell the stadium in the first place - the EFL rules. General mismanagement - his advisors. Higher prices than every other club  - parachute payments. Upsetting box holders - box holders. 

 

That play off final has cast a long-lasting spell. Dave Allen will be fuming he didn't get the plaudits for an actual play-off win and as for Dave Richards - European Football and Cup Finals haven't done him much good. 

 

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6 minutes ago, rickygoo said:

Chansiri is a bit like Trump  - there's always another person or organisation to blame. Jordan Rhodes - the fans. The P&S charges - Steve Gibson. Being found guilty - arbitrary decision making by the "independent" panel. The fact we've been mismanaged so much we had to sell the stadium in the first place - the EFL rules. General mismanagement - his advisors. Higher prices than every other club  - parachute payments. Upsetting box holders - box holders. 

 

That play off final has cast a long-lasting spell. Dave Allen will be fuming he didn't get the plaudits for an actual play-off win and as for Dave Richards - European Football and Cup Finals haven't done him much good. 

 

Agree with most of that.

 

At the end of the day when he bought the club he should have been aware of the rules he had to work in and acted accordingly.

 

But took same gamble that likes of wolves, Bournemouth etc did to spend heavily initially to try and get up.

 

Just typical Wednesday that were the ones where the gamble failed.

 

 

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1 minute ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said:

Just typical Wednesday that were the ones where the gamble failed.

 

Didn't they gamble a lot bigger though?  Wolves were recruiting top, top players. We signed Forestieri, Wallace and Bannan. Good players but not ones that would tear the division apart. We also didn't push the boat out for a Bielsa figure. 

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Barnsley would have been relegated on 49 points but for Wigan going into administration. We will likely have get to 50 points. This after starting on minus 12 points and with lots of new faces who will need to bed in. It’s going to be a long hard season and I think we will be in or around the bottom 3 for most of it I’m afraid.

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In Carlos’ first season we had a virtually new first team - we had no players so we had to sign some on loannnnnnnnnnn.....

 

We got to Wembley.

 

Think positive against the minus 12.  💙💙

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56 minutes ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said:

Time will tell but can't see how can be cleared of one and not the other when the basis of bringing the charge was on the bad faith element

That's my view also, it doesn't add up.

 

Based on the statement alone, we shouldn't get a points deduction and EFL has to admit they made a mistake in allowing it.

 

We'll see what the reasons are though - my guess is that the email exchange was misinterpreted as having approved what we went ahead and did, and it's been decided that we genuinely acted in good faith upon it. That's the only way I can see being cleared of bad faith but still getting the points deduction.

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24 minutes ago, clifford said:

Barnsley would have been relegated on 49 points but for Wigan going into administration. We will likely have get to 50 points. This after starting on minus 12 points and with lots of new faces who will need to bed in. It’s going to be a long hard season and I think we will be in or around the bottom 3 for most of it I’m afraid.

It's going to be hard, but I also think the league will be weaker at the bottom.

 

Plenty of clubs feeling the financial effect of lockdown, no known return for crowds means potentially less opportunity for bottom teams and those newly promoted to strengthen their squads.

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4 hours ago, Kagoshimaowl said:

Before it happened 

He will have signed knowing there was a chance of a points deduction - in fact, he might have already known the result. 

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1 hour ago, sonofbert2 said:

In Carlos’ first season we had a virtually new first team - we had no players so we had to sign some on loannnnnnnnnnn.....

 

We got to Wembley.

 

Think positive against the minus 12.  💙💙

And we did it buy buying championship quality players, not league one players or youngsters from premier league!

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1 hour ago, striker said:

It's going to be hard, but I also think the league will be weaker at the bottom.

 

Plenty of clubs feeling the financial effect of lockdown, no known return for crowds means potentially less opportunity for bottom teams and those newly promoted to strengthen their squads.

Cov Rovrum and Wycombe coming up doesn’t strengthen the division at all, arguably 2 bigger teams have gone down. I also question how much Watford and Bournemouth will go for promotion, I’ve got a feeling one or both of them could easily do a Hull and fade away. 

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2 hours ago, wellbeaten-the-owl said:

True but on face of it makes no sense.

 

A) EFL approve sale and timing initially

B) charge us on basis of concealing evedence (hence bad faith charge) 

C) we were cleared of the bad faith charges which implies that EFL approved sale initially based on all the facts / evedence

 

So surely should have either been guilty of both charges, or if not guilty of bad faith charge EFL are the ones who have backtracked on this.

 

Ruling may have been in commission opinion EFL were wrong to approve initially but surely thats not swfc'fault 

This is point I was trying to get at. It is very strange. In a legal manner you would first look at if their are grounds to review original decison and the ones suggested do not exist. They may assume EFL got original decison wrong but if you authorise someone to do something you are in difficulty then to say that breaks our rules.

 

Which ever way you look at it EFL do not look good. 

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1 hour ago, jomaco said:

We'll see what the reasons are though - my guess is that the email exchange was misinterpreted as having approved what we went ahead and did, and it's been decided that we genuinely acted in good faith upon it. That's the only way I can see being cleared of bad faith but still getting the points deduction.

 

Or we didn't supply the full information - not provably out of malice possibly out of ignorance - therefore the approval was faulty. 

 

Or the independent inquiry have assessed it wrong but there is no way we can state that with any level of certainty without seeing the details of the decision.

 

What we know at the moment is we are only in this position because we have sponked so much money up the wall that the owner had to sell something he already owned to himself to try and get round the rules when a loophole opened up. Even if it's above board it's a sign of failing to achieve a goal despite overspending significantly.  

 

 

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You could say gambling all before the 3yrs comes into play and getting promoted is a loophole.

Some you win, some you lose.

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Thank fizz we can put this behind us now. Time to roll up our sleeves over the summer and work our socks off to stay in the Championship next season.

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Also - although we take a 12 point penalty, if - as it seems, the sale of the ground will be moved into the 18/19 accounts, that means over the 3 year rolling period we ‘benefit’ from the sale (ie 18/19 season will show a profit) until the end of next season, giving DC the scope to improve our squad a bit. 

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6 hours ago, Essix Blue said:

Cov Rovrum and Wycombe coming up doesn’t strengthen the division at all, arguably 2 bigger teams have gone down. I also question how much Watford and Bournemouth will go for promotion, I’ve got a feeling one or both of them could easily do a Hull and fade away. 


Also means there’s no team beating everyone else so more points picked up by lesser clubs

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7 hours ago, rickygoo said:

 

Or we didn't supply the full information - not provably out of malice possibly out of ignorance - therefore the approval was faulty. 

 

Or the independent inquiry have assessed it wrong but there is no way we can state that with any level of certainty without seeing the details of the decision.

 

What we know at the moment is we are only in this position because we have sponked so much money up the wall that the owner had to sell something he already owned to himself to try and get round the rules when a loophole opened up. Even if it's above board it's a sign of failing to achieve a goal despite overspending significantly.  

 

 

I know you'll be disappointed but...we have 14 days to appeal the verdict...try not to hold your breath

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Just now, daveyboy66 said:

I know you'll be disappointed but...we have 14 days to appeal the verdict...try not to hold your breath


Here we go. Why would I be disappointed? I’d rather not have paid £900 for my dad and me to watch a relegation battle. I hope we get out of it. 

 

The big offence in my eyes is needing to sell the ground in the first place. How

many millions to get us to where we are? Glad you’re happy with his intentions. I like people to be happy. 

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14 minutes ago, rickygoo said:


Here we go. Why would I be disappointed? I’d rather not have paid £900 for my dad and me to watch a relegation battle. I hope we get out of it. 

 

The big offence in my eyes is needing to sell the ground in the first place. How

many millions to get us to where we are? Glad you’re happy with his intentions. I like people to be happy. 

We wouldn't have to sell the ground if the EFL made the FFP limit for each season the same as the failure payment for the relegated clubs eg : £45M for next season. That way each club could decide what they would be prepared to spend according to their ambitions 

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