Ian Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Just now, Dooogs said: Steve Heighway wants a word... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Ian said: Good and successful teams don’t have specialist subs, they have players who are good enough to start but are being rested, rotated or just better players, more in form players in the starting XI Edited July 30, 2020 by areNOTwhatTHEYseem 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Ian said: It’s a myth that Nuhiu makes as big an impact from the Bench as it’s made out. Good and successful teams don’t have specialist subs, they have players who are good enough to start but are being rested, rotated or just better players, more in form players in the starting XI Tell that for Fergie and Solskjaer/Hernandez, Kanu at Arsenal, Peter Crouch. Nuhiu not in that bracket but good and successful teams clearly use players to change games from the bench 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) Peter Crouch – 157 substitute appearances It’s almost as if Peter Crouch was manufactured in a factory as a footballing ‘Plan B’, a forward introduced to tower over opponents as desperate managers sought a late direct approach. In truth, Crouch’s height was perhaps both a help and hinderance, making him a popular and useful option for a succession of managers at several clubs but often meaning he was left out Crouch, however, proved his worth on countless occasions, scoring 108 Premier League goals throughout his career including 16 when introduced off the bench. No Premier League player has ever scored more headed goals than the former England man, whilst no player has ever featured more times as a substitute. Jermain Defoe – 149 substitute appearances The Premier League’s most prolific substitute, Defoe has guaranteed goals wherever he has plied his trade throughout a career in English football that has seen him plunder 162 top-flight goals. Only six players in the divisions history have ever scored more than the former Tottenham and Sunderland star, though no player can better Defoe’s record of 24 goals when coming off the bench. That tally has been scored in 149 substitute appearances, the second-highest in Premier League history, Defoe often the man turned to when looking for a late goal. Shola Ameobi – 142 substitute appearances A player who holds a special place in the hearts of Newcastle fans, Ameobi spent 14-years at his boyhood side and earned cult status amongst the fanatical Geordie support. The former Nigerian international may not rank alongside the likes of Alan Shearer and Les Ferdinand, but his penchant to deliver against local rivals Sunderland means he will always be welcome at St James’ Park. Ameobi, to his credit, remained loyal to the Magpies despite a frustrating amount of time on the substitutes bench, with almost half of his 312 league appearances beginning in the dug-out. Shane Long – 133 substitute appearances The Ronseal of Premier League footballers in that Long does exactly what it says on the tin, the Irishman will run, run and run some more with ever willingness in the forward line. One of just three current Premier League players in this feature, Long could rise further up these rankings in the coming seasons having spent a large portion of his six-year spell at Southampton amongst the substitutes, including making six appearances off the bench so far this season. Far from a prolific goalscorer, the 33-year-old’s industry and desire to chase lost causes has instead made him a regular impact player. Carlton Cole – 129 substitute appearances A handful for any Premier League defence on his finest day, it just happened that those occasions were not too often for the former West Ham forward. Cole spent over a decade at the highest level and was capped on seven occasions by England, despite a modest goal record that saw him score a career-best haul of just ten league goals – a feat he managed for two consecutive seasons under former Chelsea mentor Gianfranco Zola at Upton Park. Cole’s inconsistencies led to a perennial role as super-sub, making 129 appearances from the bench throughout a top-flight career that also included spells at Chelsea, Charlton and Aston Villa. Theo Walcott – 121 substitute appearances Selected by England for the 2006 World Cup before making his Premier League debut, Walcott’s career has perhaps not quite delivered on that initial promise despite a solid career at the highest level. Debates surrounding his best position would often circulate during a 12-year spell at Arsenal, the uncertainty leading to Walcott often being used as a super-sub, his lightning pace a nightmare for tired defences. Walcott made a century of substitute appearances for the Gunners, adding a further 21 and counting for Everton following his £20m move to Merseyside in 2018. Nwankwo Kanu – 118 substitute appearances One of Africa’s greatest footballers and a fine centre-forward, Kanu’s position on this list is down largely to the presence of Thierry Henry and Dennis Bergkamp ahead of him in the Arsenal pecking order. The Nigerian remains a firm fans’ favourite following some magical performances in north London and is the sixth-highest scoring substitute in Premier League history, later moving on to West Bromwich Albion and Portsmouth, scoring the winning goal as the latter won the FA Cup in 2008. Edited July 30, 2020 by DJMortimer 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 David says ..... "You talk Shìte".... 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 True to form, Atde has once again split the fan base. I'm afraid he is the type of chap where there are no half-measures. You love him or hate him. Even his final interview reveals this about our fan base. personally I was on the love side and seemed to find more in what he did than the chap sitting behind me, who was of the hate him brigade. And please remember, when push came to shove, he didn't, like FF, Fletcher and others, refuse to extend his contract at the end of the season. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 On 28/07/2020 at 09:37, Shetland Owl said: We need squad players as well, always a good alternative and scored some important goals- 100% Owl Good luck where ever he ends up Scored arguably THE most important goals of the last 5 years,to keep Wednesday in the Championship(him & lucas) under Jos,when other allegedly more 'gifted' Players were injured & not on the field. What is wrong with people?....Ask yourself which Managers made him first choice striker in his time? (been enough Managers) moulded a team around him,to play to his strengths?..Coached a squad to ensure adequate(and frequent) service? Gave him TIME......(How much time & opportunity allegedly has Rhodes had?..again & again?) ALL these factors effect a players confidence on the ball,and ability to be first choice striker..WHO KNOWS? Only Jos saw something more than an impact player in Ati... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc_Degryse Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, Buxtongent said: True to form, Atde has once again split the fan base. I'm afraid he is the type of chap where there are no half-measures. You love him or hate him. Even his final interview reveals this about our fan base. personally I was on the love side and seemed to find more in what he did than the chap sitting behind me, who was of the hate him brigade. And please remember, when push came to shove, he didn't, like FF, Fletcher and others, refuse to extend his contract at the end of the season. Just me or would a poll be interesting here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooogs Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: Who can forget "that magical night in Barcelona" (TM) where Man United didn't make any substitutions and lost 1-0 to Bayern? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 23 hours ago, Sticky belly said: Come on chaps. I’m not doubting he’s a great guy. You cannot fault his attitude, desire and character. These are all attributes you cannot buy and he certainly gets my respect for that. But let’s not pretend he was a great player. He wasn’t - he was an average squad player for us on the whole. I’m pleased he’s moving on as he’s never going to be the answer for us. But I’d like to wish him all the best in the future and thank him for his service to our club. He is more than jst a great guy mate,terrific impact Player.and like i said his goals kept us in the Champioship,when asked he produced....What more could we ask for? Could have been waiting for a points deduction from Div 1(well 3 really innit?) in real money? No guarantee looking at whats hapened this previous group of players would have been able to get promotion..and we would have been in even more FFP trouble too,without the Championship payments.. If he DOES leave,just hope its abroad,as speculated.Wouldnt fancy our defence playing against him, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, OWLERTON GHOST said: David says ..... "You talk Shìte".... Aah, an example from nearly 50 years ago.....as if to prove my point. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Dooogs said: Who can forget "that magical night in Barcelona" (TM) where Man United didn't make any substitutions and lost 1-0 to Bayern? Another example from the last century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJMortimer said: Peter Crouch – 157 substitute appearances It’s almost as if Peter Crouch was manufactured in a factory as a footballing ‘Plan B’, a forward introduced to tower over opponents as desperate managers sought a late direct approach. In truth, Crouch’s height was perhaps both a help and hinderance, making him a popular and useful option for a succession of managers at several clubs but often meaning he was left out Crouch, however, proved his worth on countless occasions, scoring 108 Premier League goals throughout his career including 16 when introduced off the bench. No Premier League player has ever scored more headed goals than the former England man, whilst no player has ever featured more times as a substitute. Jermain Defoe – 149 substitute appearances The Premier League’s most prolific substitute, Defoe has guaranteed goals wherever he has plied his trade throughout a career in English football that has seen him plunder 162 top-flight goals. Only six players in the divisions history have ever scored more than the former Tottenham and Sunderland star, though no player can better Defoe’s record of 24 goals when coming off the bench. That tally has been scored in 149 substitute appearances, the second-highest in Premier League history, Defoe often the man turned to when looking for a late goal. Shola Ameobi – 142 substitute appearances A player who holds a special place in the hearts of Newcastle fans, Ameobi spent 14-years at his boyhood side and earned cult status amongst the fanatical Geordie support. The former Nigerian international may not rank alongside the likes of Alan Shearer and Les Ferdinand, but his penchant to deliver against local rivals Sunderland means he will always be welcome at St James’ Park. Ameobi, to his credit, remained loyal to the Magpies despite a frustrating amount of time on the substitutes bench, with almost half of his 312 league appearances beginning in the dug-out. Shane Long – 133 substitute appearances The Ronseal of Premier League footballers in that Long does exactly what it says on the tin, the Irishman will run, run and run some more with ever willingness in the forward line. One of just three current Premier League players in this feature, Long could rise further up these rankings in the coming seasons having spent a large portion of his six-year spell at Southampton amongst the substitutes, including making six appearances off the bench so far this season. Far from a prolific goalscorer, the 33-year-old’s industry and desire to chase lost causes has instead made him a regular impact player. Carlton Cole – 129 substitute appearances A handful for any Premier League defence on his finest day, it just happened that those occasions were not too often for the former West Ham forward. Cole spent over a decade at the highest level and was capped on seven occasions by England, despite a modest goal record that saw him score a career-best haul of just ten league goals – a feat he managed for two consecutive seasons under former Chelsea mentor Gianfranco Zola at Upton Park. Cole’s inconsistencies led to a perennial role as super-sub, making 129 appearances from the bench throughout a top-flight career that also included spells at Chelsea, Charlton and Aston Villa. Theo Walcott – 121 substitute appearances Selected by England for the 2006 World Cup before making his Premier League debut, Walcott’s career has perhaps not quite delivered on that initial promise despite a solid career at the highest level. Debates surrounding his best position would often circulate during a 12-year spell at Arsenal, the uncertainty leading to Walcott often being used as a super-sub, his lightning pace a nightmare for tired defences. Walcott made a century of substitute appearances for the Gunners, adding a further 21 and counting for Everton following his £20m move to Merseyside in 2018. Nwankwo Kanu – 118 substitute appearances One of Africa’s greatest footballers and a fine centre-forward, Kanu’s position on this list is down largely to the presence of Thierry Henry and Dennis Bergkamp ahead of him in the Arsenal pecking order. The Nigerian remains a firm fans’ favourite following some magical performances in north London and is the sixth-highest scoring substitute in Premier League history, later moving on to West Bromwich Albion and Portsmouth, scoring the winning goal as the latter won the FA Cup in 2008. All of the above made substantially more starts than appearances as subs. Nuhiu is 50/50 additionally fans of the teams all of them played for would be happy to see them start. the fan discussion should be about whether a player should be starting or sub Not whether they should be sub or not even in the 18 Edited July 30, 2020 by Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 17 hours ago, Therealrealist said: Whats this 'low wages' nonsense..joey p is supposed to be a æow wage back up merchant..hes just entered his 2nd year on 12k a week..nobody at swfc over the last couple of years has been on 'low wages' I've seen figures from £8k-£12k for both players touted about. £8k is low given what wages are increasing to now ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ian said: All of the above made substantially more starts than appearances as subs. Nuhiu is 50/50 Nothing was more predictable... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWLERTON GHOST Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) David says ..... "You are still. talking Shìte".... Edited July 30, 2020 by OWLERTON GHOST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daryl Catpiss Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 2 hours ago, parajack said: Scored arguably THE most important goals of the last 5 years,to keep Wednesday in the Championship(him & lucas) under Jos,when other allegedly more 'gifted' Players were injured & not on the field. What is wrong with people?....Ask yourself which Managers made him first choice striker in his time? (been enough Managers) moulded a team around him,to play to his strengths?..Coached a squad to ensure adequate(and frequent) service? Gave him TIME......(How much time & opportunity allegedly has Rhodes had?..again & again?) ALL these factors effect a players confidence on the ball,and ability to be first choice striker..WHO KNOWS? Only Jos saw something more than an impact player in Ati... people have made their mnds up and wont change their mind, poo houses. remember how good stevie mclean was for us...but for a choice few penalties and tap ins didn't count in his goals scored. FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kew Owl Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 6 hours ago, Dooogs said: Steve Heighway wants a word... So what’s Steve Heighway got to do with it - David Fairclough, fair enough, but I’m struggling as to where Steve Heighway comes into things - do reveal all, please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 On 28/07/2020 at 08:28, Tea Baggins said: Class bloke. Useful impact player at this level. Reckon we will find it difficult to replace him in the role he does. I agree. I think we will miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 So basically the haterz have no constructive answer on how we improve things within our financial constraints. Just continue to splurge negativity. Good luck Adthe. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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