Spondon Owl Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 There's a number of times I've seen this mentioned in threads. I guess the question i ask is why? There are 25 manages by my count who have served at their respective clubs for over 2 years across the PL and the EFL. 25. Monk is approaching 1 year in the job. As examples or reference points: Bielsa - 2 years 38 days Parker - 1 year 146 days Cooper - 1 year 40 days How long does someone need in the job to indicate that a longer tenure would bring benefit? Id say a year should be enough to see what style that person wants to imprint on a club, even if it wont be fully implemented, to understand the qualities they demand from the squad and to see how they tactically approach tricky situations. Monk has shown me nothing positive. But is 321 days simply not enough with "this mammoth task" that people suggest he has had on his hands? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post George Posted July 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2020 It’s long enough to males start and develop a culture. He does not need to have created the finished article yet but he needs to have shown some positive signs. He hasn’t. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blue and white Posted July 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2020 The right manager needs time, monk is not that man. 18 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Spondon Owl said: There's a number of times I've seen this mentioned in threads. I guess the question i ask is why? There are 25 manages by my count who have served at their respective clubs for over 2 years across the PL and the EFL. 25. Monk is approaching 1 year in the job. As examples or reference points: Bielsa - 2 years 38 days Parker - 1 year 146 days Cooper - 1 year 40 days How long does someone need in the job to indicate that a longer tenure would bring benefit? Id say a year should be enough to see what style that person wants to imprint on a club, even if it wont be fully implemented, to understand the qualities they demand from the squad and to see how they tactically approach tricky situations. Monk has shown me nothing positive. But is 321 days simply not enough with "this mammoth task" that people suggest he has had on his hands? and that’s key, of course I wouldn’t expect us to be the finished product, but you would expect to see signs of improvement, as you say, an indication There is no indication 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Agree managers need time, but whether Monk is the right manager is the question. Does a manager with such a poor points return deserve time? Does Monk deserve more time than Jos, for example, who had better results? I'd like Monk to succeed, a reluctant advocate of his departure, but even with mitigating factors on and off the pitch, can't ignore results, which are unacceptable. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I think that by and large we're a pretty patient bunch overall. F@ck, sometimes too patient. I know I have been. Undoubtedly, Monk has had a pretty raw deal in the main, not to mention inheriting a mentally fragile squad of deadbeats and plenty of other issues to deal with. Hell, DC didn't even back him in the coaching department. I would be happy to give Monk time, if he'd shown me just a handful of positives, a glimmer of hope, something, anything, he hasn't. Unless I've missed it??? As bad as the issues have been this year I think even a half decent manager would have picked up a few more points in that second half of the season from hell. That's a collapse of some magnitude, the home performances, the defensive errors, the stuff of nightmares. And, if it transpires we did need points from those games after the league restarted it will be unforgivable, we played like we didn't have a care in the world. Too much water under the bridge for me, regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kew Owl Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 The longest serving manager across the whole of the 4 divisions is Gareth Ainsworth at Wycombe. Remind me, someone please, did they have a successful season ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silkstone Owl Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Monk talks a good game unfortunately it doesn’t transfer to the pitch for whatever reason I still think the players have a lot to answer for the last 6 months 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deano Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I suspect the longer serving managers have never had such a poor run of results and performances, or they wouldn't be one of the longer serving managers. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spondon Owl Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kew Owl said: The longest serving manager across the whole of the 4 divisions is Gareth Ainsworth at Wycombe. Remind me, someone please, did they have a successful season ? Meaning every other successful manage has had quite a short tenure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonk Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 The concencus so far, and I totally agree, is yes yes of course you need time, but there has to be some sign of improvement, some vision that we can buy into. Think this is why Bruce got cut the slack he did, because you could see things were improving, you could see what he was trying to do, and understand from his interviews what the plan was. Have we seen anything like this from a Monk? No, it’s chopping and changing, crap substitutes that cost us points, inane interviews, and to be honest he doesn’t seem to have a plan beyond the next game ( as per his comments on Adthe and KL). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kew Owl said: The longest serving manager across the whole of the 4 divisions is Gareth Ainsworth at Wycombe. Remind me, someone please, did they have a successful season ? Are you familiar with the phrase "confirmation bias"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 If one of the longer serving managers had a record like Monk has had since Christmas they would no longer be one of the longest serving managers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TodwickOwl Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Morepork said: I think that by and large we're a pretty patient bunch overall. F@ck, sometimes too patient. I know I have been. Undoubtedly, Monk has had a pretty raw deal in the main, not to mention inheriting a mentally fragile squad of deadbeats and plenty of other issues to deal with. Hell, DC didn't even back him in the coaching department. I would be happy to give Monk time, if he'd shown me just a handful of positives, a glimmer of hope, something, anything, he hasn't. Unless I've missed it??? As bad as the issues have been this year I think even a half decent manager would have picked up a few more points in that second half of the season from hell. That's a collapse of some magnitude, the home performances, the defensive errors, the stuff of nightmares. And, if it transpires we did need points from those games after the league restarted it will be unforgivable, we played like we didn't have a care in the world. Too much water under the bridge for me, regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation. That’s what I can’t get my head around To go from 3rd to completely collapsing in second half, something has gone on - whatever it is, it’s caused issues on the pitch and that’s why we need a clean slate with new players. In the opposite direction, Wigan picked up 40 points in the second half - how have they gone from that bad to being that good? Players. Kick up the arse and something has worked. Its the players - them players would’ve have got more points under another manager perhaps yes, but they’ve decided to collapse amongst themselves and be crap for half a season - good riddance to most of them. Don’t deserve us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzys Dad Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Alex Ferguson took an age to get Man Utd going. Rumoured to be one game from being sacked at one point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Just now, Dizzys Dad said: Alex Ferguson took an age to get Man Utd going. Rumoured to be one game from being sacked at one point. Did you just compare Monk to Fergie? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobbinTheDonkey Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 After the restart we showed some good signs. For that I thought maybe he does need time. Then either due to a small squad. Players reverting to type Tactics didn't take into account player limitations. I'm now still unsure. For all his failings he cannot take responsibility for his squad being poor at finishing and being weak minded. Is Monk the man? Probably not but don't expect anyone else to come in do massively better with the same squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobbinTheDonkey Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, TodwickOwl said: That’s what I can’t get my head around To go from 3rd to completely collapsing in second half, something has gone on - whatever it is, it’s caused issues on the pitch and that’s why we need a clean slate with new players. In the opposite direction, Wigan picked up 40 points in the second half - how have they gone from that bad to being that good? Players. Kick up the arse and something has worked. Its the players - them players would’ve have got more points under another manager perhaps yes, but they’ve decided to collapse amongst themselves and be crap for half a season - good riddance to most of them. Don’t deserve us. Maybe the players were told who was staying and who was going. Most ayers will always put their career before the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobbinTheDonkey Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Morepork said: Did you just compare Monk to Fergie? I would think he is comparing the situation not the people involed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morepork Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Just now, DobbinTheDonkey said: I would think he is comparing the situation not the people involed It was a joke..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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